I am not really sure Mari fits on this trope.
I mean, the Manic Pixie Dream Girl usually interacts a lot with the guy. That's how her cheerfulness reach the guy.
Instead, Mari doesn't seem to have almost any meaningful interaction with Shinji.
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LazyPOS wrote: This is why I love what they did with Asuka in EoE. Always saw EoE ending as the beginning of Shinji's life instead of some grand finale and conclusion. And while I have strong bias for Asuka, since she reminds me of a girl I couldn't stand in high school and we somehow became best friends in college, and were close to this day (people are weird), the way EoE ends that relationship can go anywhere. And Shinji and his growth (refusal of Instrumentality) is more important than "getting the girl"
NamvM74 wrote: If you thought it was important to make a new character that fills most of Asuka's function in the story then why have any version Asuka in it at all? Especially when this new version of Asuka is going to get more screen time then your replacement of her. You have less time in 4 films than the series to tell your story. Expanding the cast shouldn't be a priority. Lord of The Rings in its transition from book to screen cut characters not added new ones.
The answer unfortunately seems to be that Anno doesn't like the character anymore but the character is still really popular and sells merchandise.
Nuclear Lunchbox wrote:I'm seeing a lot of comparing of Shin Eva to EoE, and quite frankly I don't think it's a warranted comparison. EoE had an entire 24 episodes of television building up to it, with all the baggage that came along. It was fundamentally telling a different story, with a different buildup, and a necessarily different conclusion. Comparatively, Shin Eva is coming on the heels of three movies, all under two hours. Even including Shin Eva, the total runtime of NTE clocks in at just over seven and a half hours, where the original series plus film had more than 11 hours of footage to play with. They're different stories, different mediums, different themes. Why should we be surprised they have different endings?
Maybe the story doesn't resonate as strongly with us, but I don't think NTE deserves to be critiqued for the sin of being different. Which sure, maybe we're not doing. But it sure feels like some of us are attacking the film for not being as DEEP or POWERFUL and I'm sitting here thinking, did it need to be? Or did it have a different story it was trying to tell?
Xenoblade wrote:
To the extent that this is supposed to be Anno's goodbye to Eva in terms of his active involvement..I'd say he is concluding both Soryu and Shikinami's roles here in a meta sense, the name and backstory changes aside. NGE and NTE are in dialogue with one another, they're just Anno at different stages of his life. The same goes for other characters.
Shinji cuts Asuka loose here like a 500-lb. weight around his shoulders.
In a way that does put a sour note on the 1995-1997 material.
LazyPOS wrote:
Which is why I think having a random girl we never saw would work better, than having any of the three girls, or adult Sakura there. This is the new Shinji after the reset. He lived a half of a life that we didn't get to see. We didn't see him having meaningful interaction with anyone. Using Mari comes of as creating an OG character just to be some kind of reward for the MC.
My initial reaction to Mari from Ha and Q was that she was there to show that a typical shonen hero a la Edward Elric would do jack shit to change anything in the world of Eva. She even comes of as bloodthirsty and unhinged a little.
The pitfall is that it gave the appearance of trying to be both the same and different at the same time, in a way that the other spin-off material hasn't, which I think leads it into an uncanny valley for at least some of the audience.
Nuclear Lunchbox wrote:
Most of the criticism about how it "hasn't worked" is based on a comparison to the television series and End of Evangelion. NTE deserves critique based on its own merits and the story it tells, not based on the story people are upset it didn't tell because they are more familiar with a different iteration of the characters and scenario.
Jäeger wrote:The thing is that, without the NGE background, it works even less and have less sense. NTE only works parasiting NGE, so if Anno wants to play full meta, there are consecuences.
And just from an artistic pov...meh. But hey, powerful visuals. Well, in he first two movies just "more budget than the TV series" visuals.
Xenoblade wrote:We've seen a few translated reviews, but do we know how Japanese fans as a whole are taking Asuka's role replacement with Mari at the end of 3.0+1.0?
It seems like the film is getting stellar reviews and repeat viewings regardless...so I guess it wasn't really that risky a move to drop her character like a stone.
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