Evangelion 1.11: You Can (Not) Criticise

[xPearse]

Yea I knew I wouldn't like it but I wasn't expecting this, very underwhelming. I just watch the first rebuild movie yesterday and man was it bad. Oh dear lord where do I start, I'll just give a brief summary first. Overall it was ok, ok as in 4/10. I don't like how they changed the story, characters, the animation was good but kinda odd looking at times. Especially when they redrew over frames from the original, I couldn't help but laugh when they did that. Terrible CGI that sticks out badly with the animation. The pacing was off, the music was bad, it's just not engaging. The formula goes like this, talk, fight angel, talk, fight angel and so forth until the end. Overall I was expecting something completely new and original, not this.

But now let's talk about my most hated scene and you guessed it, the grope scene. It's just not sexualised at all guys, you know showing Rei's nipple and all. I just really hate how this scene was handled, I know they showed it in death and rebirth but not the tv show. It was just unnecessary, I also hate the fact that this was set up by Gendo changing his character. Even if you wanted to think that it was at least left ambiguous in the show, instead the movie just gives exposition right to your face not allowing you to think for yourself like opposite of what made the tv show so popular. It's just the wrong way to go about it.

Take a look at the scene where Shinji pilots Eva 1, it shows Gendo grinning asif he knew what would happen by sending Rei down there. Again was meant to be ambiguous, I'd like to add that again they choose the death and rebirth scene instead of the original because you know retcon and all. Every character gives exposition very badly I might add, I don't understand why Anno made all these changes. I was really furious at the face Gendo is setting up Rei and Shinji and was planning it since 14 years ago, again meant to be ambiguous. Although I don't agree with that theory but it's worth mentioning.

There was also unnecessary fanservice showing Rei nude changing into her plug suit but im pretty sure that scene was symbolic for something. I feel like Anno is trolling me with all the changes me made, just like EOE and EOTV. He knows it's not what we want but gives us more of it because it's his vision and insists that he does take fan feedback, we all know that's not true. I don't know, maybe the 2nd movie will be better. There is more but your probably already bored and annoyed, forgive me for my badly written post.

[robersora]

Well, even if 1.11 was bad, at least its sense of style, concurrency and general proficiency of the English language was better than yours.
#feedthetroll

[ElMariachi]

He knows it's not what we want but gives us more of it because it's his vision and insists that he does take fan feedback, we all know that's not true.

Correction: it's not what you want.

Shameless fanservice was always part of the first part of Eva, and of many mecha animes.
And the groping scene was meant to be unsettling: it plays with the cliché of the clueless male guy falling on top of the girl and accidentally groping her, but instead of the typical girl blushing and megaton punching him with a "Kyaaaaa! You pervert!", we got... nothing. Rei look at Shinji in the eyes completely serious, as if he just accidentally fell on her and she wasn't naked and he didn't accidentally groped her, as if she was accustomed of being naked in front of people (which is the case due to her frequent sessions in the LCL vat)

The second was just fanservice yes, and if just that anger you, I can't begin to imagine how you'll feel in 2.0, which is a festival of fanservice.

Now for the differences in characters, they are here to streamline the story, since Rebuild is shorter than NGE (prime example: everyone knowing from the beginning that they are guarding a SoL and that it's Lilith), and those differences are also here to lay the ground for the new direction the rest of the story will take: Gendo trying to make Rei and Shinji get closer (and not particularly in the romantic sense btw) and the hint that he manipulated his son's life since years seems odd at first glance, but in NGE Gendo wanted to keep Shinji as much away from him as possible, and only called his son because he didn't had any other choice, since Rei was wounded.
And those two differences from the original series will take all their sense in the next movies, they aren't here for nothing.

[Mr. Tines]

I only saw 1.01 but the "saabisu, saabisu" was very mild by the standards of late night anime (see e.g. Elfen Lied episode 1) -- and even the scene in Ha that gets people annoyed is nothing not done way more often and lovingly in yer face in the typical episode of Strike Witches.

Apart from that hobbyhorse, I'd say you should make allowances for the halved runtime for the same amount of material; but not as much as were there none of the so far pointless accretions.

I would suggest that if the first movie was a disappointment, that it would make sense to drop the series right now. That's what I did, after all.

[Rosenakahara]

*sigh* why did i know you of all people would hate this, whatever your opinion means less and less to me the more threads you make so im just going to keep on enjoying my awesome movies

[xPearse]

I never said I hated it, I just thought it was underwhelming and could have been better. I don't really care if my opinion doesn't carry any weight, I know the reaction im gonna get.

Correction: it's not what you want.

Shameless fanservice was always part of the first part of Eva, and of many mecha animes.
And the groping scene was meant to be unsettling: it plays with the cliché.

The second was just fanservice yes, and if just that anger you, I can't begin to imagine how you'll feel in 2.0, which is a festival of fanservice.

Now for the differences in characters, they are here to streamline the story, since Rebuild is shorter than NGE (prime example: everyone knowing from the beginning that they are guarding a SoL and that it's Lilith), and those differences are also here to lay the ground for the new direction the rest of the story will take: Gendo trying to make Rei and Shinji get closer. And those two differences from the original series will take all its sense in the next movies, they aren't here for nothing.

Yea, it isn't what I wanted. I expected "better" but maybe that's just me and I know that scenes meant to unsettling. It still doesn't make it an excuse for it to happen, it's just like the gangrape scene from The future diary. It's meant to be uncomfortable that it happened but I always know my gut response is the right one, that was probably not the best example but you understand what I mean. I know they're setting up a different path for the story with the changes, that doesn't mean I have to like them but I guess I'll see where they go. AS far the plug suit scene, she didn't have to be fully nude or show nipples to be fanservice. Do it like the original and not a sleazefest.

What about the ambiguity, did everyone enjoy taking part of that away or what. I know they have to streamline the plot for a movie adaption but I just found it bluntly put.

[Mr. Tines]

I never said I hated it, I just thought it was underwhelming and could have been better. I don't really care if my opinion doesn't carry any weight, I know the reaction im gonna get.

The first Rebuild got a generally positive response here, but all the "two minute hate" announcement and similar are in response to the second one, where there was a significant contingent who disliked it intensely (as can be seen by going back to the threads from 5 years ago). You are not going to be able to singlehandedly bring those days back if you go ahead and watch the next one.

[Guy Nacks]

But now let's talk about my most hated scene and you guessed it, the grope scene.

SPOILER: Show

Have I got the show for you.....

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But seriously, 1.11 IMO didn't really change much from the first 6 episodes of the TV series for me to be all gung ho about the film. The biggest change is the one scene where Misato shows Shinji Lillith and that's about it. 2.22 is really where Anno starts to switch things up, and Q is almost completely new material and ideas.

[EvangelionGodMode]

Don't understand why your critizing the fanservice. Evangelion is pretty much the king of unesseccary fanservice. Its got so much fanservice in it that you wont be able to fap after your done watching it, hell it will even fap for you at times.

[AuraTwilight]

Pearse, I'm not sure I get you. Why are you complaining about stuff in Rebuild 1.11 that was...literally in the original series? Did you not like that part of the original anime as well, and if so, why are you disappointed that the Rebuild movie didn't do differently? You honestly should've had the heads-up.

But really, I'm just not sure why you think we care about your personal sexual hang-ups. From both the threads I've seen about you it seems you're just really adverse to having the sexuality of the characters thrown in your face and don't have any other argument about it besides "It's disgusting and I don't like it."

Evangelion is disgusting. It aims to make the viewers uncomfortable to make points about the human condition. This involves sex as a major theme. If characters touching boobs and stuff bothers you, stop watching this series. If characters being insinuated to be raped bothers you, watch something else. This is not a squeaky clean series that cares about your moral high ground.

[Rosenakahara]

Pearse, I'm not sure I get you. Why are you complaining about stuff in Rebuild 1.11 that was...literally in the original series? Did you not like that part of the original anime as well, and if so, why are you disappointed that the Rebuild movie didn't do differently? You honestly should've had the heads-up.

But really, I'm just not sure why you think we care about your personal sexual hang-ups. From both the threads I've seen about you it seems you're just really adverse to having the sexuality of the characters thrown in your face and don't have any other argument about it besides "It's disgusting and I don't like it."

Evangelion is disgusting. It aims to make the viewers uncomfortable to make points about the human condition. This involves sex as a major theme. If characters touching boobs and stuff bothers you, stop watching this series. If characters being insinuated to be raped bothers you, watch something else. This is not a squeaky clean series that cares about your moral high ground.

^This

also i apologize that my reply was kind of mean in its wording, i was having i bad day, i do NOT apologize about what i meant to get across however as that still stands, stop being so afraid of sexuality and nudity

[Mr. Tines]

Evangelion is pretty much the king of unesseccary fanservice.

Even on my first watch through, I kept on waiting and waiting for the and really didn't see it. Compared with the other anime I'd already seen at that point, it was vary tame.

[Reiggae]

1.0 is literally the first 6 episodes condensed into a movie (other than the Lilith scene). I don't see why you think it's bad, it's a good start for the Rebuild movies. Most of your review is just complaining about the "groping" scene. Haven't you already made a thread about that scene? Why do you hate it so much if we already told you it's meaning and purpose? You seem to have this distaste of sexual scenes with the characters (though I haven't seen you complain about the EoE hospital scene).
Do you hate unnecessary sexual scenes (then why are you watching anime?) or you just want your Waifu to be pure?

[Rosenakahara]

1.0 is literally the first 6 episodes condensed into a movie (other than the Lilith scene). I don't see why you think it's bad, it's a good start for the Rebuild movies. Most of your review is just complaining about the "groping" scene. Haven't you already made a thread about that scene? Why do you hate it so much if we already told you it's meaning and purpose? You seem to have this distaste of sexual scenes with the characters (though I haven't seen you complain about the EoE hospital scene).
Do you hate unnecessary sexual scenes (then why are you watching anime?) or you just want your Waifu to be pure?

He said he didn't care about the hospital scene because he does not like Asuka.......or Shinji........he said he actually only likes Rei, Kaji and gendo until gendo realized he messed up in EoE, so he likes asshole gendo more i guess.

and yeah i kinda came to the waifu conclusion too :P since any mention of Rei taking an interest in a man seems heresy to him, watch this: Rei gets a crush on Shinji and Shinji seems to have some feelings for her back as shown in the ending of 2.22
i expect hate coming my way very soon (sorry if im coming off as being really mean but this guy is seriously irritating me :/)

Oh boy he is going to haaaaaate mari i can tell this now

[Reiggae]

He said he didn't care about the hospital scene because he does not like Asuka.......or Shinji........he said he actually only likes Rei, Kaji and gendo until gendo realized he messed up in EoE, so he likes asshole gendo more i guess.

So he only likes one main character and two minor characters in the entire show? If it's his favorite show, I'd expect him to enjoy it more.

[pwhodges]

^ Perhaps if he hates the world (see his reply to me about Belfast), then that's as good an average as it gets for him - and we should be helping him to improve on that.

[Rosenakahara]

^ Perhaps if he hates the world (see his reply to me about Belfast), then that's as good an average as it gets for him - and we should be helping him to improve on that.

He did see EoTV right? that should have given him all the self help he needs :P

Ok lets stop jumping on the guy and get back to topic now

[Ray]

I thought people liked 1.0.

[ChaddyManPrime]

^
We did, we also liked it the first time around, and the second.

[AngelNo13Bardiel]

...why did I get the feeling the topic was going to go in this direction just by looking at who started it?

Nothing further to add, other than going along with the others who've said "I liked 1.0/1.11". It's mostly a re-tread...but what a gorgeous re-tread it is (especially the Ramiel fight).