Quantum Kaworu?

[pwhodges]

I tend to agree - but would like to see my idea knocked down (if not embraced) rather than merely swamped and forgotten...

[Giji Shinka]

It's perfectly clear that there's multiple Kaworus involved.

Did the "scrapped" 3.0 preview say that "Seele children's assembly in session" and Kaworu is...."Seele's boy"...? So those 4 shadows in the "red room" were Kaworu clones? Also, there were 4 moon coffins opened before the Kaworu we know in 1.0 and 2.0....

[TruthfulLie]

Did the "scrapped" 3.0 preview say that "Seele children's assembly in session" and Kaworu is...."Seele's boy"...? So those 4 shadows in the "red room" were Kaworu clones? Also, there were 4 moon coffins opened before the Kaworu we know in 1.0 and 2.0....

No, if i remember correctly those shadow was not of Kaoru's but Reis' from the same preview according to CRC storyboard. 1.11 CRC script states those other coffins ware that of Kaoru's as well so the connection may not be there, but it could serve as support for the multiple-Kaoru theory I guess.

[TMBounty_Hunter]

Did the "scrapped" 3.0 preview say that "Seele children's assembly in session" and Kaworu is...."Seele's boy"...? So those 4 shadows in the "red room" were Kaworu clones?

Those were Rei + loli Reis according to storyboard

http://www.gwern.net/docs/2010-crc#preview

[Giji Shinka]

: ((( I was hoping that it would have been what i said....

[ObsessiveMathsFreak]

I'm reasonably certain that no-one is actually being serious about the "two Kaworu's" idea. In the words of Admiral Huff...

[Chuckman]

I hope Final includes a gigantic fistfight between Rei and Kaworu clones.

[cloudxsolder]

I'm reasonably certain that no-one is actually being serious about the "two Kaworu's" idea.

I feel this way about the 'Alien Seele' topic.
What urks me the most is that I see more evidence that supports multiple Kaworu's yet the former is more widely accepted.
Whether it be a multiple unviverse/ repeat/ clones in the same timeline - I am of this oppinion.

The probability of us actually being told one way or another is low, which is both frustrating and good at the same time. His mystery is his character, if we knew everything about him, it would be quite boring.

[Sailor Star Dust]

NME Kaworu might be Quantum in the same way as Rei (II?) but I don't think there are several clones of either running around. Maybe at some point in the 14 year timeskip at most--if 2.0's Next Time Preview is anything to go by--but not currently.

I'm thinking at most, Kaworu will meet Shinji again in some form of Instrumentality or metaphysical space. Remember his talk before dying? It just screams of Instrumentality, IMO:

Even if your soul disappears, your hopes and curses remain in this world. Your will roams the world as information and gradually changes. In time, even your very self is altered.

[ElMariachi]

Personally, I didn't interpreted his last words as as foreshadowing if Instrumentality : what he's saying that even after his death("Even if your soul disappears"), there is still things he left in the world, moments shared with people, his convictions and acts("your hopes and curses remain in this world."), and what you left behind will influence the people you left("Your will roams the world as information and gradually changes") to change them in turn("In time, even your very self is altered.")

Basically that's Kaworu throwing the old master famous lines of "my will/techniques/teachings survive through you, now it's you turn to apply them", or the classical "even after my death, I'm still with you in your heart and the memories we have shared"... but much more cryptic, 'cause even at death's threshold Kaworu can't stop himself to be cryptic!

Maybe he's hinting that what they shared together will be helpful in Final, probably how to "synchronize his tempo" with another pilot... and now I'm just imagining Shinji trying to teach pilot synchronization to Asuka and/or Mari through piano!

[WunderBah]

[Merged in from "3.33 Things You Noticed". - Monk]

I remember how there was a "quantum Kaworu" theory around this board before, do you guys believe the speculation has it's own merit? After looking at a comparison with Kaworu from 2.0 and Kaworu in Q, i couldn't shake off the feeling that either it was an art style change or that i'm looking at two intentionally different Kaworu's.

[Kendrix then replied, in a post that was otherwise on-topic in its original context:]

Or fourteen years passed, in which Kaworu had at least one haircut, and this is how you're supposed to differentiate pre- and post timeskip. Kinda like Mari's glasses and slightly different interface clips.

Artstyle shifted too, but that's the same for Asuka's chin...

[TheFriskyIan]

Artstyle shifted too, but that's the same for Asuka's chin...

I think you mean everyone's chin....

[Bagheera]

I think you mean everyone's chin....

Ahem.

Rei in ep 24  SPOILER: Show

[Deva Victrix]

I remember how there was a "quantum Kaworu" theory around this board before, do you guys believe the speculation has it's own merit? After looking at a comparison with Kaworu from 2.0 and Kaworu in Q, i couldn't shake off the feeling that either it was an art style change or that i'm looking at two intentionally different Kaworu's.

Schrodinger's Kaworu.

[WunderBah]

Ah, here's the thread!

It's perfectly clear that there's multiple Kaworus involved.

Look at the 2.0 design (henceforth refered to as Haworu)

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And the Q design (Qworu)

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As well as the comparison. If this was just an artstyle change then that'd be a bit lame, because i'm pretty fascinated by the quantum Kaworu theory in it's own right.

[Monk Ed]

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