First Ancestral Race

[Anonymous_Evafan]

Don't know about what reading did they get, but if Adam with its S2 gave readings, then all angels with S2 should have given them too. Besides, the Katsuragi team built a base in the White Moon, probably like the geofront. They dug, deep, and as for a scientific team, not taking care of possible Angels there seems a little too unscientific.

I don't think they got any readings from Adam, suspended animation and all. For what ever reason Dr. Katsuragi suspected Adam had an S^2 organ. With the SDSS SEELE knew Adam was in the White Moon, so theoreticly so would the scientific team. Weather SEELE clued them in to what Adam was suposed to be doing is doubtful so they'd have no reason to expect additional Angels. SEELE was using Adam to try to become a God the other Angels were meaningless to them.

02:
Humans forget their foolishness and repeat their mistakes.

??:
If humans do not redeem themselves willingly, they will not change.

??:
We will not rely on the powers of Adam or the Angels.

KEEL:
Our only choice is to make changes with our own hands for the future.
I will be praying that Unit 01 will accomplish its task.

[Reichu]

Or it could mean something more like Gauf in #23, where the room of gauf holds the soul of a single entity, the place where that soul came from.

If that's the way it's supposed to go, how do you explain what Fuyutsuki says in #26'?

Also, Adam's soul was SALVAGED into Kaworu. It didn't magically relocate there; it was put there after the fact.

Plus, do you think Adam's Doors of Guf opening at 2I and the Apostles hatching 15 years later is a coincidence? If they had souls all that time, then what on Earth were they doing?

Don't know about what reading did they get, but if Adam with its S2 gave readings

Why would Adam's S2 give readings if she was knocked out?

Why is it impossible for the Angels to have been somewhere else all along?

Where would they be, and how would they have gotten there?

SEELE was using Adam to try to become a God the other Angels were meaningless to them.

Your little citation there makes it sound like Adam wasn't all that important, either.

[MaggotMaster]

Where would they be, and how would they have gotten there?

1. Perhaps somewhere in the sea if Sachiel is any indication.
2. WHO KNOWS, MAYBE ADAM SPREAD THEM ALL OVER THE WORLD BEFORE GETTING IMPALED

[Reichu]

1. Perhaps somewhere in the sea if Sachiel is any indication.
2. WHO KNOWS, MAYBE ADAM SPREAD THEM ALL OVER THE WORLD BEFORE GETTING IMPALED

Why would Adam go to the trouble of scattering fourteen eggs across the world, but neglect to give their cargo any souls?

[Anonymous_Evafan]

SEELE was using Adam to try to become a God the other Angels were meaningless to them.

Your little citation there makes it sound like Adam wasn't all that important, either.

Adam sure seemed important to them seeing as the blew up Antartica to try to become a God using her. I wonder how much they spent on that expedition. The obvious thing that sticks out is Adam had a soul where the other Angels didn't. If they did then it's possible SEELE could have used one of them for the attempt instead of Adam herself. Souless the others were useless to SEELE.

[MaggotMaster]

1. Perhaps somewhere in the sea if Sachiel is any indication.
2. WHO KNOWS, MAYBE ADAM SPREAD THEM ALL OVER THE WORLD BEFORE GETTING IMPALED

Why would Adam go to the trouble of scattering fourteen eggs across the world, but neglect to give their cargo any souls?

It ran out of MP, went back to Antarctica to get a few Ethers then got impaled by LnY, game over.

EDIT: FUCK YOU REICHU AND YOUR CONSTANTLY CALLING ADAM A HER YOU MADE ME DO SO ASWELL.

[AchtungAffen]

SEELE was using Adam to try to become a God the other Angels were meaningless to them.

Well, they knew from the scrolls that the Angels would come, and that they would have to get rid of them. Why would Seele, specialy SEELE, ignore an enemy in its most weak state?

If that's the way it's supposed to go, how do you explain what Fuyutsuki says in #26'?

Heh, that's a good one I haven't decyphered yet. But if the #26' mention to Gauf means "the place where all human souls came from", then the mention in #23 would mean that, at least, post-Rei everyone was born soulless.

The three times Gauf is mentioned they refer to different things. #23 is Lilith (and Rei), #21 as I see it, Adam. #26'... some day I'll know.

Also, Adam's soul was SALVAGED into Kaworu. It didn't magically relocate there; it was put there after the fact.

And Rei's sould didn't also miraculously enter the clones. I'm not saying it was a coincidence, the Adam Gauf opening and Kaworu animation. Probably the opening of Gauf in #21' is just Adam's soul being released from its body. Chamber of Gauf, vessel for that Adam soul, opened.

Plus, do you think Adam's Doors of Guf opening at 2I and the Apostles hatching 15 years later is a coincidence? If they had souls all that time, then what on Earth were they doing?

Why did they wait 15 years then? They had them S2. They could do an accelerated growth. Why didn't they show up immediately? I don't know why they took 15 years, but it doesn't seem to be a clear indication that they were born on earth and were eggs who had to hatch. What if the time-flow where in the hypothetical universe where the Angels were was different and they got a late notice? There are many different answers, I believe, for the delay.

Where would they be, and how would they have gotten there?

What if they were born during the times of the seed duel and were expelled from Earth by Lilith and its brethren?

[Anonymous_Evafan]

SEELE was using Adam to try to become a God the other Angels were meaningless to them.

Well, they knew from the scrolls that the Angels would come, and that they would have to get rid of them. Why would Seele, specialy SEELE, ignore an enemy in its most weak state?

Sachiel didn't look like an enemy. He was rather non-caring about the Lilim that were pestering him until the N^2 mine hit him. Remember who fired the first shots in all of this. Just what the SDSS said is still a mystery.


typo

[Reichu]

Adam sure seemed important to them seeing as the blew up Antartica to try to become a God using her.

THEY WERENT ACTUALLY TRYING TO BECOME A GOD THEN, THE ONLY POINT OF THAT WAS TO RETROVERT ADAM INTO AN EGG OR AN EMBRYO OR SOMETHING, SINCE THEY COULDN'T DO IT ANY OTHER WAY AND IT WAS NECESSARY TO CONTAIN THE DAMAGE (FROM WHAT I DON'T RIGHTFULLY KNOW) AND SHRINKING ADAM WAS NECESSARY BECAUSE ONLY POKE-ADAM CAN BE USED IN HIP.

Wait... what?

I wonder how much they spent on that expedition.

The contents of Keel's childhood piggybank.

The obvious thing that sticks out is Adam had a soul where the other Angels didn't.

Well, that's true.

If they did then it's possible SEELE could have used one of them for the attempt instead of Adam herself. Souless the others were useless to SEELE.

THEY COULD HAVE SALVAGED LILIM SOULS INTO THEM! THAT WOULD'VE BEEN COOL! (But they wouldn't have had S2 Engines, oh shi--)

EDIT: FUCK YOU REICHU AND YOUR CONSTANTLY CALLING ADAM A HER YOU MADE ME DO SO ASWELL.

[Carl Horn]

See, this is why I kind of prefer the TV ending, which is like going out into the real world. The End of Evangelion and its re- re- re- re- posse is like going to grad school, one where you will never finish writing your dissertation.

[MaggotMaster]

See, this is why I kind of prefer the TV ending, which is like going out into the real world. The End of Evangelion and its re- re- re- re- posse is like going to grad school, one where you will never finish writing your dissertation.

What does this have to do with the topic at hand?

[AchtungAffen]

SEELE was using Adam to try to become a God the other Angels were meaningless to them.

Well, they knew from the scrolls that the Angels would come, and that they would have to get rid of them. Why would Seele, specialy SEELE, ignore an enemy in its most weak state?

Sachiel didn't look like an enemy. He was rather non-caring about the Lilim that were pestering him until the N^2 mine hit him. Remember who fired the first shots in all of this. Just what the SDSS said is still a mystery.


typo

Hell, didn't look like one, but the SDSS said the Angels were enemies and had to be destroyed. Seele knew that since they got them scrolls, even before Adam was found. Seele commanded (in some way) the Katsuragi expedition.

[Anonymous_Evafan]

Adam sure seemed important to them seeing as the blew up Antartica to try to become a God using her.

THEY WERENT ACTUALLY TRYING TO BECOME A GOD THEN, THE ONLY POINT OF THAT WAS TO RETROVERT ADAM INTO AN EGG OR AN EMBRYO OR SOMETHING, SINCE THEY COULDN'T DO IT ANY OTHER WAY AND IT WAS NECESSARY TO CONTAIN THE DAMAGE (FROM WHAT I DON'T RIGHTFULLY KNOW) AND SHRINKING ADAM WAS NECESSARY BECAUSE ONLY POKE-ADAM CAN BE USED IN HIP.

Wait... what?

See what part of that makes sense? If they left Adam sleeping then no harm no foul.

Hell, didn't look like one, but the SDSS said the Angels were enemies and had to be destroyed.

I didn't see anything about the Angels in the CI entry for the DSS.

D. In-Depth Information

The Secret Dead Sea Scrolls are a scripture written by the First Ancestral Race, a manual regarding the Seed of Life (Progenitor Entity) and the usage of the Spear of Longinus security device, possibly while applying a scheme at the time of use to a religious group's own doctrines. They are written prophecy, in so far as they remain active even in the current day according to a design of the past.

Until then, Seele had only fragmentary knowledge of the scrolls' contents and existence, but they had never imagined that the scrolls might actually exist, contain meaningful prophecies, and turn up in near-perfect condition. They were sent to headquarters promptly, upon which the actual truth was skewed and immediately covered up. The parts of little consequence, later released to the public, were called the Dead Sea Scrolls, whereas what Seele made off with were dubbed the Secret Dead Sea Scrolls.

We get no details on what they really say. I suspect 2 branches of humanity can't share the same planet because they can't get along. Hell Lilim can't really get along with each other. The truth is the Lilim are the ones that started it and thus are the real transgressors.

What if they were born during the times of the seed duel and were expelled from Earth by Lilith and its brethren?

Say what? What Seed duel? And since when did Lilith have brethren?

[AchtungAffen]

We get no details on what they really say. I suspect 2 branches of humanity can't share the same planet because they can't get along. Hell Lilim can't really get along with each other. The truth is the Lilim are the ones that started it and thus are the real transgressors.

What I meant was that Seele knew Angels (at least 3-17) where enemies because they had the scrolls who stated them as such. Thus, if there where Angels inside the White Moon when the Katsuragi Team arrived, Seele would have encountered "enemies". And I don't think Seele is the kind of organization who leaves enemies be when they're in their weaker state.

Say what? What Seed duel? And since when did Lilith have brethren?

I probably used the wrong word, "offspring" is better I suppose.

[Anonymous_Evafan]

We get no details on what they really say. I suspect 2 branches of humanity can't share the same planet because they can't get along. Hell Lilim can't really get along with each other. The truth is the Lilim are the ones that started it and thus are the real transgressors.

What I meant was that Seele knew Angels (at least 3-17) where enemies because they had the scrolls who stated them as such. Thus, if there where Angels inside the White Moon when the Katsuragi Team arrived, Seele would have encountered "enemies". And I don't think Seele is the kind of organization who leaves enemies be when they're in their weaker state.

No more enemies than say another religion. They're our cousins. I seriously doubt they're listed as enemies in the scrolls. SEELE made a script based on the scrolls.

IKARI:
The time schedule is advancing as described in the Dead Sea Scrolls.

KEEL:
Fine then.
We'll leave aside the matter of crimes or responsibility on your part.
But there is no need for you to create a new script.

IKARI:
I realize that.
Everything is proceeding according to Seele's script.

What exactly that means is VERY ambigious.

Say what? What Seed duel? And since when did Lilith have brethren?

I probably used the wrong word, "offspring" is better I suppose.

Lilith's offspring at that time would be single-celled organisms. The Lilim didn't show up for something like 3.6 billion years.

[Reichu]

Lilith's offspring at that time would be single-celled organisms. The Lilim didn't show up for something like 3.6 billion years.

Yeah, but what about the things in her hive, eh...?

[Anonymous_Evafan]

Lilith's offspring at that time would be single-celled organisms. The Lilim didn't show up for something like 3.6 billion years.

Yeah, but what about the things in her hive, eh...?

Well you're the famous fanwanker so you tell me.

[AchtungAffen]

The scrolls said that angels would come. And SEELE seemed to know where they were going... and what would happen if they achieved their objective. Now, are you sure SEELE wouldn't consider Angels pre 2I as "enemies"?

[Anonymous_Evafan]

How can a soulless sack of meat be an enemy? Kaworu didn't have a soul to start with, neither did the Evas. There's no reason to think the other Adam derived Angels are any different. They posed no threat to the Lilim in any way. The reason the conflict started was SEELE wanted to be a God so who are the real enemies here? If they hadn't screwed around with and woken Adam up nothing would have ever happened.

15. Angel

D. In-Depth Information

Two Seeds of Life cannot exist on one planet, and, therefore, one of them is excluded. As recorded in the Secret Dead Sea Scrolls, Adam-based life took part in a contest of survival, putting the stakes on their own existence.

SEELE made it happen to accomplish there twisted goals. They aren't so much an enemy as an obstacle they must overcome. The contest was part of their script.

[Reichu]

I wonder what on Earth can possibly be written in those bloody scrolls that would permit the construction and execution of such "scenarios" as we've seen. Damned inexplicable plot devices. ("How did you get in the Dead Sea, again?")