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Postby Squigsquasher » Sun Mar 01, 2015 5:16 pm

So, lemons. They exist. Some people love them, some people don't (I fall into the former category myself). This is the place to talk about them.

Does anyone have any favourite lemons? Any ideas for lemons they'd like to see written? Anyone writing/going to write a lemon?

Myself I've got quite a few ideas for them- here's some of my favourite ideas thus far:

Hikari: Marshmallow Edition  SPOILER: Show
Hikari has put on a bit too much weight and looks a little...plump. Shinji thinks she's cute though, and love + happy sex ensues.


All Grown Up  SPOILER: Show
Set in the future after a “good end” to the series, Rei and Shinji are now married and in their early 20s, and Rei is pregnant. Delicious lovemaking follows.


The Life Reiquatic  SPOILER: Show
Shinji discovers the Reiquarium and accidentally releases the Rei clones. The Rei clones decide that Shinji deserves a reward and...well, you can see where this is going.


After-Hours Review  SPOILER: Show
Maya X Misato yuri cutefest. Maya has a sad for whatever reason and Misato invites her round to her house, which results in...you know the drill.


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Postby Guy Nacks » Sun Mar 01, 2015 6:45 pm

We're in a severe drought of well-written lemons, so more are always welcome.


In terms of favorites:

Most works by Rx7/Random1377 (I think they're the same person), in particular, Breaching the Garden Gate, which is probably the best Evangelion lemon ever written.

6 Days by Rommel.

Changing Seasons by JErosion (Sadly unfinished)


There are probably more, but these are the best of the best IMO.
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Postby MisterHalt » Sun Mar 01, 2015 6:47 pm

There are a few lemons I like, mostly because they're stories that happen to have lemon in them.

6 Days by Rommel

Shinji and Asuka are struggling with the sync training, due to getting distracted by each other. Asuka's plan to solve this goes awry due to her not holding up her end. Her way of apologising lets them talk it out and fix their sync problems. Also they have sexy times.

Power Re-Plays by Rommel

Asuka and Shinji are in a sorta sexual relationship, Asuka wants Shinji to be more 'aggressive' but Shinji isn't brave enough.

Water Hazard by Hotwire/TL Webb

A side-story to [url]https://www.fanfiction.net/s/280013/1/Wake[/url] where Shinji and Asuka go to the hot springs.

Pheonix(sic) Rising by Red Horseman

Set after what I assume is an aborted Third Impact. Asuka is still in a coma, Shinji is constantly by her side. Eventually she wakes up and their relationship starts moving. Pretty much just WAFF with some lemon near the end.

Best Laid Plans OVA by Ryoma and Random1377

A lemony sequel to [url]https://www.fanfiction.net/s/426184/1/The-Best-Laid-Plans[/url].

Body Heat by Axel Terizaki

A mission ends up with Shinji and Asuka stuck in a cave during a blizzard. Do I even need to say what they do to keep warm?
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Postby Guy Nacks » Sun Mar 01, 2015 8:26 pm

View Original PostSquigsquasher wrote:Myself I've got quite a few ideas for them- here's some of my favourite ideas thus far:

Hikari: Marshmallow Edition  SPOILER: Show
Hikari has put on a bit too much weight and looks a little...plump. Shinji thinks she's cute though, and love + happy sex ensues.


All Grown Up  SPOILER: Show
Set in the future after a “good end” to the series, Rei and Shinji are now married and in their early 20s, and Rei is pregnant. Delicious lovemaking follows.


The Life Reiquatic  SPOILER: Show
Shinji discovers the Reiquarium and accidentally releases the Rei clones. The Rei clones decide that Shinji deserves a reward and...well, you can see where this is going.


After-Hours Review  SPOILER: Show
Maya X Misato yuri cutefest. Maya has a sad for whatever reason and Misato invites her round to her house, which results in...you know the drill.


What can I say, I have funny taste...


All of these sound like potentially well-executed ideas. The most important thing with lemons, I find, is that the buildup to the actual sex is the most important part. If they start having sex less than 1/4 of the way into your story, you're doing it wrong. I'm not big on porn without plot at all and these ideas are reflected in the fic examples I have given. Also, realistic sex is often more endearing. That is, without too much exaggeration with all the intimate details.

Again, if you want the 411 on how to write great sex, peruse Rx7 and Rommel's works, especiallly Breaching the Garden Gate and 6 Days.

Body Heat by Axel Terizaki

A mission ends up with Shinji and Asuka stuck in a cave during a blizzard. Do I even need to say what they do to keep warm?


This one was pretty good, too, from what I remember.
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Postby StarShaper7 » Sun Mar 01, 2015 11:56 pm

Like, that scene from Godzilla 2014 where the two MUTOs make babies, except with Angels and much more graphic.

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Postby Monk Ed » Mon Mar 02, 2015 1:35 am

View Original PostGuy Nacks wrote:in particular, Breaching the Garden Gate, which is probably the best Evangelion lemon ever written.

I, uh... couldn't disagree more. :hahaha:

View Original PostGuy Nacks wrote:The most important thing with lemons, I find, is that the buildup to the actual sex is the most important part. If they start having sex less than 1/4 of the way into your story, you're doing it wrong.

That's a particular style, not a universal rule. I love Power Plays (even if I've yet to finish it), and it starts with Shinji and Asuka having sex. (And it's not that I love it because of that, it just so happens that it starts that way.)
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Postby ChaddyManPrime » Mon Mar 02, 2015 4:59 am

@ Guy

Yeah, BTGG is most likely the best lemon written, though Random needed to expand on just what the garden was doing there and what it was for, it was an unnecessary mystery.

BTGG is in the top three of Random's best works.

I have a question that's been puzzling me for a while, are we supposed to be fapping to lemons? I mean I enjoy reading them but I don't fap to them, am I doing something wrong?
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View Original PostChaddyManPrime wrote:I have a question that's been puzzling me for a while, are we supposed to be fapping to lemons? I mean I enjoy reading them but I don't fap to them, am I doing something wrong?


I'm the same. I read them for the enjoyment of the story, not the... porny-ness.
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Postby amitakartok » Mon Mar 02, 2015 11:33 am

View Original PostGuy Nacks wrote:If they start having sex less than 1/4 of the way into your story, you're doing it wrong. I'm not big on porn without plot at all and these ideas are reflected in the fic examples I have given. Also, realistic sex is often more endearing. That is, without too much exaggeration with all the intimate details.


I'm trying to write my lemons like that. Admittedly, they're not very good... even though I frequently think up unconventional pairings. For example, I don't think anyone ever thought about a Kensuke/Mayumi romance, much less actually wrote a lemon about it. Or, if unpublished and incomplete snippets also count, Toji/Mana (she goads him into it and the two end up in a quarreling-newlyweds style relationship). Or Toji/Kensuke/teen!Sakura (as friends with benefits; she's the same age as Toji here).

Nowadays, it's getting harder and harder to find quality lemon. The only ones who still write lemon are the oldtimers on Darkscribes - and their stuff is NOT for the faint of heart. I mean, I have some hardcore stuff written myself (which I will NOT share here - too NSFW; only in PM) but it doesn't come even close to what those guys are doing. As fucked up some of my stuff is, I have standards: no rape, blackmail or any other form of non-con/less-con, no mindbreak or any other reason for slutty behavior regardless of gender, among others. I write for fun - and my definition of fun doesn't include making my characters suffer or act sex-crazed like something out of a bad doujin. All sex scenes in my stories are perfectly consensual, done for the characters' enjoyment and tend to be emotionally charged.

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I also have a different standard set for myself. If a story of mine is not primarily pornographic, it will have no lemon scene. The reason for that is because I feel a gratuitous sex scene breaks the flow of the plot by distracting the reader's attention. That is also why I skip lemon scenes in non-pornographic fanfics I'm reading.
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Postby Squigsquasher » Mon Mar 02, 2015 3:16 pm

View Original PostGuy Nacks wrote:All of these sound like potentially well-executed ideas. The most important thing with lemons, I find, is that the buildup to the actual sex is the most important part. If they start having sex less than 1/4 of the way into your story, you're doing it wrong. I'm not big on porn without plot at all and these ideas are reflected in the fic examples I have given. Also, realistic sex is often more endearing. That is, without too much exaggeration with all the intimate details.


Yeah, that's about right. Overly detailed and totally unrealistic porn without plot is just boring (unless played for laughs/so-bad-it's-good). I do agree that simply launching straight into the smut can be a recipe for blandness, unless the authour really knows what he's doing.

I personally enjoy comedic lemons (both reading and writing), as A: I enjoy things that make me laugh, and B: They're more fun to write (and the humour factor can give the story a bit more value than simple fap factor). I find you can get away with a bit more when it's obvious the story isn't to be taken seriously. In my humble opinion, the best Eva smut ever was NERV's Longest Day (technically a doujin but who cares), mainly because of how goddamn hilarious it was.
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Postby Guy Nacks » Mon Mar 02, 2015 7:09 pm

View Original PostChaddyManPrime wrote:I have a question that's been puzzling me for a while, are we supposed to be fapping to lemons? I mean I enjoy reading them but I don't fap to them, am I doing something wrong?


You can if you want to, I guess. I don't just because I'm not interested in using it for fap material. I just use them to supplant the romantic things in my life that are lacking at whatever moment I decide I should read them, which is why I don't like reading lemons just for the sex alone, though it is a necessary ingredient.

I have never fapped to anything Evangelion related ever and can count on one hand the amount of times I have to hentai (Monk has some responsibility for one of the times I have, though.)
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Postby Monk Ed » Mon Mar 02, 2015 7:41 pm

View Original PostGuy Nacks wrote:I have never fapped to anything Evangelion related ever and can count on one hand the amount of times I have to hentai (Monk has some responsibility for one of the times I have, though.)

Neat! Was it something I linked?
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Postby Guy Nacks » Mon Mar 02, 2015 7:52 pm

View Original PostMonk Ed wrote:Neat! Was it something I linked?


Something you mentioned in a similar thread a few months back about what movie had your favorite hentai scene of all time. I checked it out and...it was weird, because I'm normally not into that kind of sex.

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Postby Monk Ed » Mon Mar 02, 2015 8:10 pm

View Original PostGuy Nacks wrote:Something you mentioned in a similar thread a few months back about what movie had your favorite hentai scene of all time. I checked it out and...it was weird, because I'm normally not into that kind of sex.

YYYESSS! :headbang:
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Postby StarShaper7 » Tue Mar 03, 2015 12:03 am

Well tell us what it is, then!

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Postby Monk Ed » Tue Mar 03, 2015 12:12 am

Mezzo Forte, second sex scene.

Now let's get back on topic.

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Postby amitakartok » Thu Mar 05, 2015 5:14 am

So... I have a dilemma.

I'm entertaining the idea of translating Innocent Taboo into English, by indirect request. Not all of it, of course, just the original and two of the sidestories. My question is, if I upload the translation to AFF, specifically marking it as not mine but just a translation and say I would take it down if the original author (whom I would credit by name) asks, can I get into legal trouble?

Also, I finally tracked down all of the stories Meguro's illustrations are for.
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Postby Monk Ed » Thu Mar 05, 2015 7:07 am

View Original Postamitakartok wrote:Also, I finally tracked down all of the stories Meguro's illustrations are for.

By "all of the stories Meguro's illustrations are for" and given the topic title, you make it sound like his infamous illustrations are visual representations of lemons someone wrote. :headscratch: (He also drew at least one sweet vanilla story, I've heard.)
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Postby amitakartok » Thu Mar 05, 2015 11:41 am

Indeed they are illustrations for existing stories. Not all of them but most are.

Namely, Hikari's Diary (Hikari and her sisters, some Asuka and the preggers pic about Hikari, Asuka and Yui), Back Seat (Hikari, Asuka and Fuyutsuki), MODEL (mostly Asuka but Hikari and her dog are also featured from here), Innocent Taboo (primarily Asuka, with some Rei, Musashi and Keita on the side), My Secret Experience (the two chickan pictures about Asuka/Touji and Rei/Shinji), Stray Cat (adult Asuka, with Ritsuko and Gendo).

The two relationship charts he made are for Hikari's Diary and MODEL. I translated the former into English but I'm not sure whether it's okay for me to post a link here. The chart itself isn't NSFW but Sankaku Complex is.

Of these, I've only read Hikari's Diary and Innocent Taboo yet. The latter is what I'm translating and since my last post, I've finished the raw of the first chapter. It's not 100% accurate and some lines are not translated yet but it's almost ready. As for Hikari's Diary... it's about, you guessed it, Hikari and her sisters. Namely, Horaki papa is using his daughters to sate his sexual desires. Yes, all three of them. Kodama was the first who slept with him, followed by Hikari and even though Hikari went into it to keep him away from Nozomi, he scored with Nozomi anyway.

In the story's extended edition, Yui divorced from Gendo and married Horaki papa, bringing Shinji into the family. Too bad Horaki papa's a sexual monster and turned her into a masochist, followed by Hikari helping him score with Asuka as well. The chart can explain more but in a nutshell, by the time the chart is made, Nozomi is the only female in the family who hasn't been pregnant at least once. Even better? Yui's second pregnancy (technically third, if we count Shinji) is from her son! And Asuka's second kid is also from Shinji! Who is currently taking care of Asuka's first kid because Asuka became pregnant again within a year of giving birth!
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Postby Stillborn » Thu Mar 05, 2015 11:51 am

I remember the chart. So much incest, bestiality and fat men XD
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