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Postby Squigsquasher » Sun Dec 11, 2016 6:53 am

View Original PostFreakyFilmFan4ever wrote:I would make an exception for Mc Frontalot, but I've only heard 2 of his songs and found them mostly creatively inoffensive to me, so I can't say that I know a lot about the genre. I could also go into the difference in songs about being a nerd as opposed to songs that simply touch upon nerdy shows, but again, there's only 2 songs that I've heard and such.

MC Frontalot is pretty great, but I suspect that's because he doesn't take himself at all seriously. It Is Pitch Dark is my personal favourite.
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Postby Compiling_Autumn » Sun Dec 11, 2016 8:35 pm

Xavier Wulf destroys anything else having to do with "anime rap." All the Bleach samples in his music work perfectly, to say nothing of the Attack on Titan sample on his song "Psycho-Pass." There are a LOT of anime references and sampling in underground rap today, but Wulf definitely takes it to another level.

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Postby Gendo'sPapa » Sat Jan 07, 2017 10:52 pm

Is this a controversial opinion?

I don't know where the irrational hate comes from but.... this face. I hate this fucking face. Show me an anime where characters routinely make this face & I can guarantee you I won't watch it. I don't know what the show in the image is & I don't care. Fuck this face. Fuck this show. Fuck that character. Fuck that fucking face

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Seriously, I think I quit 99% of anime simply because of this dumb face.

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Postby TheFriskyIan » Sat Jan 07, 2017 11:35 pm

View Original PostGendo'sPapa wrote:Is this a controversial opinion?

I don't know where the irrational hate comes from but.... this face. I hate this fucking face. Show me an anime where characters routinely make this face & I can guarantee you I won't watch it. I don't know what the show in the image is & I don't care. Fuck this face. Fuck this show. Fuck that character. Fuck that fucking face

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Seriously, I think I quit 99% of anime simply because of this dumb face.

There is literally nothing wrong with that face.
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Postby robersora » Sun Jan 08, 2017 10:03 am

View Original PostGendo'sPapa wrote:Seriously, I think I quit 99% of anime simply because of this dumb face.


Is it Super Deformed in general, or is it just this specific face? I mean, I can tell you that shows which are resorting to this face might be goofy in nature... Other than that, it's pretty much:

View Original PostTheFriskyIan wrote:There is literally nothing wrong with that face.


So you might need to do some soul searching.
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Postby chazthesilencer » Sun Jan 08, 2017 10:35 am

Huh. Surprised myself by recognising that as a screen cap from Kotoura-San. Strange memory I have.

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Postby Bagheera » Sun Jan 08, 2017 11:10 am

View Original PostGendo'sPapa wrote:Seriously, I think I quit 99% of anime simply because of this dumb face.


Pity, as Kotura-san is a pretty neat show.
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Postby Gendo'sPapa » Sun Jan 08, 2017 11:40 am

Huh. So it was a controversial opinion. Who'd a thought.

No. Will not be doing any soul searching. Pretty pleased with my soul overall. It's just a dumb face that has been so overused at this point that it's usage turns me off projects. It's trite now. I think I'll be okay never seeing a show that uses it.

Edit: No problem with super deformed artsyle in the least. I loved Azumanga Daioh (and I wouldn't be surprised if that face appeared in the show, it's been a minute since I've seen it) & other cutesy shows. It's just that face. The usage of it now & in the past view years is a flashing beacon to me that the animators are bored & will do the bare minimum creative work to get a pass." It was a creative form of expression once & now has been overused to an unpleasant degree.

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Postby esselfortium » Sun Jan 08, 2017 12:23 pm

View Original PostGendo'sPapa wrote:Huh. So it was a controversial opinion. Who'd a thought.

No. Will not be doing any soul searching. Pretty pleased with my soul overall. It's just a dumb face that has been so overused at this point that it's usage turns me off projects. It's trite now. I think I'll be okay never seeing a show that uses it.

Edit: No problem with super deformed artsyle in the least. I loved Azumanga Daioh (and I wouldn't be surprised if that face appeared in the show, it's been a minute since I've seen it) & other cutesy shows. It's just that face. The usage of it now & in the past view years is a flashing beacon to me that the animators are bored & will do the bare minimum creative work to get a pass." It was a creative form of expression once & now has been overused to an unpleasant degree.

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Postby Guy Nacks » Sun Jan 08, 2017 10:23 pm

View Original PostGendo'sPapa wrote:Fuck this face. Fuck that fucking face

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She does have her mouth open. So, you could.
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Postby FreakyFilmFan4ever » Thu Jan 12, 2017 6:48 am

Azumanga Daioh had "The Face" because the show was trying to be different from most of its contemporaries. (Let's face it, NGE inspired many poor imitations in late 90's-early Aughts anime, and a deviation from that trend was well received.) "The Face" was a way for Azuma to differentiate his work from the works of others by giving it a fun and whacky aesthetic.

Now most anime use "The Face" because that's the status quo for the industry, which is already over saturated with Slice-of-Life Light Harem genre picks.

I still enjoy a couple recent works that feature "The Face" (Squid Girl and Kill Me Baby come to mind), and their able to be somewhat unique while not diving headlong into Light Harems at High School clíches, but I do have to agree that "The Face" is lazily used these days, and don't have quite the same effect when it was in a show equally as weird and crazy as "The Face." Kill Me Baby comes close to having that tone and aesthetic in Azumanga Daioh, and is probably best suited to utilize "The Face" in its storytelling because of it. But I would still argue the industry as a whole needs to step away from the SoL genre and figure out something else innovative. And "The Face" needs to be left behind with the genre.
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Postby Squigsquasher » Thu Jan 12, 2017 7:00 am

I think the effect of "the face" is entirely dependent on the quality of the anime it's in. For good anime (Azumanga Daioh, Squid Girl etc), it's harmless, and adds fun and flavour to the show (largely helped by the fact it's not the only gag face that gets used). In shitty anime, it just hammers home the fact that the show is generic garbage.

Anyway, not-so-controversial opinion time.

I'd really like to see a new movie or OVA done the "old fashioned way", with real ink on real cels. I'd like to see how well modern styles translate to traditional media, and if the animators adapted their style based on the media. Obviously I don't think the whole industry should revert to painted cels (as an amateur artist myself, digital inking is a godsend) but as a one-off thing it'd be interesting.

Having been watching the Mobile Suit Gundam trilogy, I find myself really, really liking the simpler character designs of the 70s. There's something really charming about them- perhaps it's because they're quite "flat" (irises are generally discs of flat colour with a few spots of white, hair is usually just solid colour with no highlighting etc) but there's something oddly classy about a lot of 70s designs.
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Postby FreakyFilmFan4ever » Thu Jan 12, 2017 7:22 am

^ That's probably not so much a controversial opinion as far as aesthetic is concerned, but it would be when it comes to workflow and budget. Film looks great, but is a total bitch to work with, especially now that very few animation facilities in Japan have access to the film equipment needed to pull it off. I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't a working film lab the whole in animation industry. I think even Studio Ghibli phased those out years ago.
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Postby Retro Chocolate » Thu Jan 12, 2017 5:55 pm

View Original PostFreakyFilmFan4ever wrote:^ That's probably not so much a controversial opinion as far as aesthetic is concerned...

Go on any modern anime form (for example, Myanimelist) and you'll think otherwise. A lot of modern anime fans actively avoid things with older looking animation, and claim that "anime made before the 21st century are crap," despite the fact that most of them haven't even seen more than 2 anime made in the 20th century (and it's usually the animation they claim is bad). We just don't see that as much here because, you know, we're a community made for a 90s anime.
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Postby cyharding » Thu Jan 12, 2017 11:53 pm

View Original PostSquigsquasher wrote:Having been watching the Mobile Suit Gundam trilogy, I find myself really, really liking the simpler character designs of the 70s. There's something really charming about them- perhaps it's because they're quite "flat" (irises are generally discs of flat colour with a few spots of white, hair is usually just solid colour with no highlighting etc) but there's something oddly classy about a lot of 70s designs.


I know you are doing a rewatch of several Gundam titles, but if you get the chance, try watching Gundam Unicorn or even the anime version of The Origin as the same character designer that worked on the original trilogy did the designs for these titles as well. I wouldn't mind hearing your opinion on whether the charm is there or not as you would see those designs brought to life with modern technology.

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Postby FreakyFilmFan4ever » Fri Jan 13, 2017 7:30 am

View Original PostRetro Chocolate wrote:Go on any modern anime form (for example, Myanimelist) and you'll think otherwise. A lot of modern anime fans actively avoid things with older looking animation, and claim that "anime made before the 21st century are crap," despite the fact that most of them haven't even seen more than 2 anime made in the 20th century (and it's usually the animation they claim is bad). We just don't see that as much here because, you know, we're a community made for a 90s anime.

That just makes me sad.
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Postby SoryuUberAlles » Wed Jan 18, 2017 9:36 am

View Original PostFreakyFilmFan4ever wrote:^ That's probably not so much a controversial opinion as far as aesthetic is concerned, but it would be when it comes to workflow and budget. Film looks great, but is a total bitch to work with, especially now that very few animation facilities in Japan have access to the film equipment needed to pull it off. I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't a working film lab the whole in animation industry. I think even Studio Ghibli phased those out years ago.


It might not even be possible. There's a lot of technical stuff behind this. When making 'Hail Caeser!' the Coen Brothers said they very nearly had to abandon making the movie on film. There's a lot of chemicals they just don't make anymore.
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Postby Joseki » Wed Jan 18, 2017 1:58 pm

I think I have two rare opinions:

-"My Neighbor Totoro" was so boring I couldn't even finish it in one sit, I had to pick it up after a break. I didn't feel anything and I think it's the worst Ghibli movie I've seen so far ("The Wind Rises" is my favorite).
- Pain from Naruto has the best character design for a shonen villain I've ever seen. The manga has terrible flaws overall but character design was almost perfect.
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Postby SoryuUberAlles » Wed Jan 18, 2017 6:41 pm

View Original PostJoseki wrote: "My Neighbor Totoro" was so boring I couldn't even finish it in one sit, I had to pick it up after a break. I didn't feel anything and I think it's the worst Ghibli movie I've seen so far ("The Wind Rises" is my favorite).


I think you have to genuinely feel at list a twinge of fear for children alone with the creatures for it to really work. It is one of his more purely 'kiddie' movies though. It was actually released as a double feature with 'Grave of the Fireflies' to balance it out. It does surprise me it's become their 'mascot' movie. On the other hand, I like "The Wind Rises" and a lot of people say that one really was boring.
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Postby Director Black » Wed Jan 18, 2017 8:42 pm

View Original PostSoryuUberAlles wrote:On the other hand, I like "The Wind Rises" and a lot of people say that one really was boring.


What else do you expect for people say about a animated bio about a designer of a plane?

(Don't take those words as me criticizing it by the way. I think it's Miyazaki's most underrated film.)
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