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Postby El Squibbonator » Sat Nov 26, 2016 10:10 pm

View Original PostDirector Black wrote:Don't know if it's agreed among here, but Elfen Lied is a hot pile of pretentious shit.


I've never watched it; I'm told that the manga tells the story much more competently than the anime does.
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Postby Retro Chocolate » Wed Nov 30, 2016 9:55 pm

View Original PostEl Squibbonator wrote:I've never watched it; I'm told that the manga tells the story much more competently than the anime does.

It's not really that the manga tells it more competently. It's just that the Anime never actually gets to the good part of the manga. The second half of the manga was significantly better than the first half, and the anime only adapts the first half. The main problem with the manga is the art. It gets way better by the end, but the art at the beginning just sucks. That and the last chapter, which takes place 4 months after the rest of the manga, was total BS and I refuse to except that it happened. Remember that guy who tragically died saving the one girl? Well it turns out, he's alive! Remember how the MCs cousin had a weird incestuous crush on the MC? Well here's the MCs kid, who looks suspiciously like the cousin. They also heavily imply that the character that sacrifices herself in chapter 107 is resurrected as a little girl who has the ideal life that she wanted. The ending is way too happy for the tone of Elfen Lied and ruins way too many sad moments from the series. And the cousin thing is just weird.
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Postby Director Black » Thu Dec 01, 2016 9:30 pm

View Original Postpwhodges wrote:(Also, although this is the anime thread, have you read the manga? As so often happens, the ending is much more fleshed out.)


Maybe. I've got much more manga I want read, so I'll put Elfen Lied on a low priority list.
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Postby Bagheera » Fri Dec 02, 2016 10:02 am

View Original PostDirector Black wrote:Maybe. I've got much more manga I want read, so I'll put Elfen Lied on a low priority list.


It is worth your time. I haven't read many stories that had the emotional gut punch of the end of the EL manga.
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Postby GAP » Sun Dec 04, 2016 9:39 am

Almost all of Hiroyuki Imaishi's work actually confuses me even more than Evangelion and this is Evangelion we are talking about. This maybe a side effect of Evangelion being my first foray into Gainax but Imaishi seesm to enjoy employing psychological experiments and frantic animation to confuse and even annoy me. I don't what he is doing but it is working somehow.
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Postby Dildry » Sun Dec 04, 2016 5:43 pm

View Original PostGAP wrote:Almost all of Hiroyuki Imaishi's work actually confuses me even more than Evangelion and this is Evangelion we are talking about. This maybe a side effect of Evangelion being my first foray into Gainax but Imaishi seesm to enjoy employing psychological experiments and frantic animation to confuse and even annoy me. I don't what he is doing but it is working somehow.


I only know him from Trigger? He seems straightforward to me. Directing series like Kill La Kill.
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Postby GAP » Mon Dec 05, 2016 8:27 am

View Original PostDildry wrote:I only know him from Trigger? He seems straightforward to me. Directing series like Kill La Kill.


It is just that his shows pour so much information that it makes brain hurt and I need to rewatch in order to 'get' it. Dead Leaves confuses me but I probably don't have a lot of life experience or need to read college level books to get.
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Postby Compiling_Autumn » Mon Dec 05, 2016 11:16 pm

Dead Leaves is really cringey and does nothing for me. His other three main shows are much, much better.
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Postby The Eva Monkey » Tue Dec 06, 2016 9:09 am

Here's a (potentially) controversial opinion:

All anime nerdcore is unlistenable garbage.

Anyone disagree?
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Postby El Squibbonator » Tue Dec 06, 2016 9:33 am

Even Evangelion?
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Postby Bagheera » Tue Dec 06, 2016 10:01 am

View Original PostThe Eva Monkey wrote:Here's a (potentially) controversial opinion:

All anime nerdcore is unlistenable garbage.

Anyone disagree?


I don't know what nerdcore is, so can't usefully comment.
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Postby The Eva Monkey » Tue Dec 06, 2016 10:16 am

View Original PostBagheera wrote:I don't know what nerdcore is, so can't usefully comment.

Basically, it's a sub genre of rap/hip hop. Nerd rap/hip hop.

View Original PostEl Squibbonator wrote:Even Evangelion?

Especially Evangelion. You know, because I care, and I always want to hear good Eva fan music.

So far, I think this is the only tolerable Eva nerdcore song I've heard:

Here at the End of the World (Shinji's Monologue) by the bedfordstrangler
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7yWoKV1_VY
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Postby DarkBluePhoenix » Tue Dec 06, 2016 10:32 am

The Eva Monkey wrote:Here's a (potentially) controversial opinion:

All anime nerdcore is unlistenable garbage.

Anyone disagree?

No, you're entirely correct, its just *shudder* bad...
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Postby Bagheera » Tue Dec 06, 2016 10:52 am

View Original PostThe Eva Monkey wrote:Basically, it's a sub genre of rap/hip hop. Nerd rap/hip hop.


Oh, that crap. In that case you are entirely correct, and I don't believe your estimation is controversial in the slightest.
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Postby Squigsquasher » Tue Dec 06, 2016 10:55 am

View Original PostThe Eva Monkey wrote:Basically, it's a sub genre of rap/hip hop. Nerd rap/hip hop.

Doesn't "Nerdcore" encompass basically any genre of music homaging something nerdy?

I mean back in the late 80s we had death metal nerdcore referencing Warhammer 40,000. And it was GLORIOUS.
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Postby The Eva Monkey » Tue Dec 06, 2016 12:52 pm

View Original PostSquigsquasher wrote:Doesn't "Nerdcore" encompass basically any genre of music homaging something nerdy?

As far as I know, nerdcore specifically refers to the music genre.

Per Wikipedia:

Nerdcore is a genre of hip hop music characterized by themes and subject matter considered to be of general interest to nerds.
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Postby Mr. Tines » Wed Dec 07, 2016 4:16 am

View Original PostThe Eva Monkey wrote:Basically, it's a sub genre of rap/hip hop. Nerd rap/hip hop.
Rap music -- in general, it's a rare instance of the silent 'c' in the English language.

View Original PostGAP wrote:Almost all of Hiroyuki Imaishi's work actually confuses me even more than Evangelion
Apart from EoE being "WTF did I just watch?" due simply to the density with which content is presented, Evangelion isn't that bad. But even when I was just starting out with anime, I found Imaishi's work just too "wacky" or "off-the-wall" for my tastes, even before I knew it was him. Gurren Lagann is the only thing with his fingerprints all over that I've actually liked.
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Postby Director Black » Wed Dec 07, 2016 9:22 pm

View Original PostThe Eva Monkey wrote:Here's a (potentially) controversial opinion:

All anime nerdcore is unlistenable garbage.

Anyone disagree?


The thought of a terrible rapper bragging about how much he wants to fuck Rei with a terrible mash-up beat of Eva music ends shivers down my spine.
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Postby Squigsquasher » Thu Dec 08, 2016 4:19 am

View Original PostMr. Tines wrote:Rap music -- in general, it's a rare instance of the silent 'c' in the English language.

Consider that sigged.

Anyway, (not so) controversial opinion time: A lot of anime that rely heavily on CGI alongside standard animation would be better off going fully 3D. Obviously it won't stop plain shoddy animation from ruining a series (Berserk 2016, I'm looking at you) but done well it can look good, and IMO looks a lot better than 2D mixed with 3D.

While we're on the subject of CGI, whilst I haven't watched any Macross in full beyond the original series and DYRL, from what little I've seen of the other series (mostly clips) the CGI in those series drags the rest of the series down, at least aesthetically. Now granted, a lot of what they use CGI for would be nigh-on impossible to accomplish in 2D, like some of the dogfights and transformation schemes, but from what I've seen I wish they would, for example, use more "anime-like" shading on the 3D models so they stuck out a bit less than the fairly shiny, somewhat video-gamey models they used.
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Postby FreakyFilmFan4ever » Sun Dec 11, 2016 6:42 am

View Original PostThe Eva Monkey wrote:Here's a (potentially) controversial opinion:

All anime nerdcore is unlistenable garbage.

Anyone disagree?

I would make an exception for Mc Frontalot, but I've only heard 2 of his songs and found them mostly creatively inoffensive to me, so I can't say that I know a lot about the genre. I could also go into the difference in songs about being a nerd as opposed to songs that simply touch upon nerdy shows, but again, there's only 2 songs that I've heard and such.

View Original PostThe Eva Monkey wrote:Here at the End of the World (Shinji's Monologue) by the bedfordstrangler
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7yWoKV1_VY

Yeah, that song is intolerable. What little of Mc Frontalot I've heard was him rapping about being a nerd. Rapping about a whole show seems kind of stupid. It's not really the artist's own experience that's being conveyed here, and it just comes off as some giant internet forum rant.

Eh.... oh well. I don't know enough to defend the genre, and I don't care enough about it to bother listening to more of it.
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