NGE2: First Ancestral Race and Seeds of Life

[VoidEater]

My vote: Most interesting new thread in like FARever.

[Reichu]

Shouldn't these super important things be incorporated in the Wiki?

It's been on my projects list. When I translated this scene, it was from a low-res recording on Nico. I became impatient with the quality and incompleteness of what was available on Nico, so I embarked on a mission to make video captures from the games myself, which naturally distracted me from the whole translating and archiving thing.

Yeah, I know: excuses, excuses.

That said, I agree, the Kaworu ending definitely is important enough to go up sooner rather than later, and any pages impacted by its information need updating if they haven't been already.

Holy crap! Glad I stumbled upon this topic. I'm bursting with questions about this new material....

This thread may interest you as well.

Now, let me get this straight, does Rei acquire this Fruit of Life by getting it from the Adambryo? That would be confirmation that the Adambryo contains an S2... much to the dismay of my own theories.

Now that I look again, she basically tells Gendo to bugger off apparently before they've done anything. Then Aoba's all, "There's a high energy body in Terminal Dogma!" Rei tells Lilith that the Fruit of Life is unnecessary and that "I am me. I am not you." Lilith melts while imploring Rei for the FoL.

This suggests to me that Rei goes into Lilith without the FoL, even though Aoba's line suggests otherwise. (Then again, since the scene with Aoba's line is recycled into so many NGE2 endings, maybe it's just a hiccup.)

A cut scene compilation of Rei's PSP scenario is here. I'm waiting on certain things before I attempt to tackle a real translation.

Souls can interact with the Fruits? Furthermore, partaking of the Fruit of Life causes one to lose Knowledge/forget the past? Innnteresting...

I'm also not sure how to interpret the whole "eating too much of Fruit of Life --> forgetting" thing. Maybe Kaworu's dialogue from the rest of the game (monologues, various dialogue paths when he's trapped in Leliel, etc.) will provide more context, but I'm not counting on it.

[Jinroh]

Yeah, I know: excuses, excuses.

You don't need excuses Reichu :) I feel a bit helpless, my english is really not good enough compared to yours to contribute.

Take your time, you're already doing a good job here.

[Monk Ed]

This thread may interest you as well.

After seeing this one I went straight to that one by thread-searching for NGE2, but thanks for your kindness.

A cut scene compilation of Rei's PSP scenario is here. I'm waiting on certain things before I attempt to tackle a real translation.

Like what? A higher-quality recording so you can read the text clearly?

I'm also not sure how to interpret the whole "eating too much of Fruit of Life --> forgetting" thing. Maybe Kaworu's dialogue from the rest of the game (monologues, various dialogue paths when he's trapped in Leliel, etc.) will provide more context, but I'm not counting on it.

Yeah, I'm not bothering to look too much into it myself. These Seed types can get pretty hopeless with their metaphors anyway.

[Reichu]

Like what? A higher-quality recording so you can read the text clearly?

I'm planning to play through Rei's PSP scenario in order to both make higher-quality recordings, and because I like knowing how all of those cut scenes unfold in the game (what triggers them, and so forth). I'd also be able to explore alternate dialogue/event paths, etc. Might have happened by now if two eBay merchants in a row hadn't sent me the wrong damned PSP video cable.

[Sailor Star Dust]

I took Aoba's "High energy reading" lines in any of the Terminal Dogma based ends to more or less mean "the giant white motherly marshmellow is suddenly up and about because her soul returned (and she may or may not be becoming giant and naked)!" but maybe I'm wrong.

I wish I had a working PSP... At least I can keep plugging away at translations here and there. (Barely anybody noticed that 3 Shinjis one. >_> )

[Monk Ed]

I wish I had a working PSP... At least I can keep plugging away at translations here and there. (Barely anybody noticed that 3 Shinjis one. >_> )

...3 Shinjis what now?

[Reichu]

...3 Shinjis what now?

http://forum.evageeks.org/viewtopic.php?p=357795#357795

[Monk Ed]

Oh, that.

...I see that in that Rei ending there, you make a choice. If you select the first option, I assume that goes the more canonical path. Does that path show or describe Rei taking the Adambryo from Gendo? If so, then its omission in the second path certainly does imply that she enters Lilith without it.

Although, we don't see what happens after that to see how the lack of the Adambryo changes things. But that's probably the intent... It's too much new material to write up, and also irrelevant to Rei's personal plight. At the time, at least.

[Tabby-chan]

First off, I don't think that it's fair to say that a FAR is a "Seed" here. Unless that is our new name for him or her or it, let's try to keep things organized, shall we?

If anyone bothered to just hit the "Wiki" button yet, you'll find that the FAR are alien beings from some unknown place in the universe. Their location, however, is unimportant to this post.

The Seeds are the Moons. The White Moon arrived safely. The Black Moon crashed in an accident (where were the Space Police in all of this), stopping Adam before she could produce Angels (the term "Angels" used here excudes the Lilim, duh). Lilith's Lance was destroyed, so Adam's had to activate, which conviniently occured in Antartica.

I can understand why the FAR would need to send the Seeds. I recall that, as Reichu wrote, the FAR's homeworld was fading, and they knew it. I have no explanation as to why it would suddenly dissapear, but the "Original Adam" from Biblical text would suggest that the Lilim and the Angels, the FAR and any other life forms in the universe were once part of an extremely large "Sea of LCL". This is all in theory, however.

It's actually funny to know that most people onthis forum have never read the Wiki. Go there, read, add up the facts, and accept Eva for what it is.

[Reichu]

The truth about the Wiki is that it's a mess, and there is tons and tons of stuff on the forum that no one has bothered to put on the Wiki yet. I'm scared of ever looking at the thing; the horrors there intimidate me into paralysis.

If you're referring to the thing that Kaworu encounters, calling it a Seed doesn't seem to involve "fairness" in any way. It's a statement of fact.

[AshPhoenix]

So are the Seeds FARs that have been sent off the FAR homeworld, or are the Seeds completely different beings created by the FARs to create different forms of life in different places throughout the universe?

[AuraTwilight]

They're basically like Evangelions, in that they're Godlike bodies that were created and had souls shoved in them.

[Azathoth]

They're basically like Evangelions, in that they're Godlike bodies that were created and had souls shoved in them.

You have to wonder what kind of megalomaniacal bitch volunteered to be Lilith. Good thing the Rei personality came to exist, really.

[Hyper Shinchan]

Yeah, apparently they're artificial beings. Actually it's interesting that according to Kaworu's ending translated by Reichu in this thread they're beings without a true body, the physical form of Lilith and Adam could have been taken when they've arrived to Earth.
I dunno if it's possible to sustain that their soul or those in their Chambers of Guf are the ones of the FARs or if they had the knowledge to "create" souls.

You have to wonder what kind of megalomaniacal bitch volunteered to be Lilith. Good thing the Rei personality came to exist, really.

Indeed, she arrived and stole Adam's place, it's really rude (and it's funny that if I'm not wrong in one ending Kaworu thanks Lilith because "she has forgiven him" but I could be misunderstanding things).

[AuraTwilight]

Well, it's implied that the original Gufs contained FAR souls in order to essentially preserve/reincarnate the species.

As for Lilith, I don't see what's so Megalomaniacal. She landed on Earth by accident.

[Azathoth]

As for Lilith, I don't see what's so Megalomaniacal. She landed on Earth by accident.

The extent of her determination to gain control of the Fruit of Life suggests otherwise.

[Hyper Shinchan]

Well, it's implied that the original Gufs contained FAR souls in order to essentially preserve/reincarnate the species.

While this is probably the case I don't remember if it's mentioned explicitly (or even in some implicit but easily understandable way) in either the game or the CIs.

The extent of her determination to gain control of the Fruit of Life suggests otherwise.

It's quite interesting that her determination was the result of Adam's presence, I wonder what she was going to do if he wasn't around (and exactly why she desires it).

[Zenoseiya]

Note: My following statements combine aspects of the TV series and Rebuild. Reader discretion is advised.

If there were seven Moons, divided into a set of 3 and 4, then the odds of them two of them crashing on one planet is so high as to be impossible. Lilith deliberately crashed her Moon into Earth to obtain the Fruit of Life from Adam.

Why was the FAR planet rendered uninhabitable, even for Angels? Rebuild 2.0 gives an interesting reason. Bringing the two Fruits together creates a new, third form of life whose birth wipes out all previous forms of life. Hence the FAR's prohibition against bringing them together; it drove them from their home planet.

What were the FAR, anyway? My opinion? Lilin who learned how to manipulate their morphic resonance fields/ego boundaries into psychic powers. They created the Angels/Proto-Evangelions as servants. Someone got the bright idea to combine the two Fruits, resulting in cataclysm.

Rei and Kaworu would then be examples of FAR, or more accurately bastardized recreations of them. They are essentially Lilin with the ability to manipulate their ATF and survive in harsh conditions, like vacuum. As a result of their botched creation and poor care, they have odd dietary requirements, fractured memories, and poorly-formed personalities.

[Reichu]

While this is probably the case I don't remember if it's mentioned explicitly (or even in some implicit but easily understandable way) in either the game or the CIs.

???:
Knowing we [the FAR] would lose our home world, we embarked on a journey into the midst of space in search of other planets...
Returning ourselves to the form of life’s origins... While bringing many peoples together as one... In order to, one day, increase and flourish.
(...)
There were seven carriers that our home world's people boarded, you and me included.
You and I were designers to the people whom we had brought with us.
After implanting into a world somewhere, we either bestowed upon them shapes as any form of life, or acted as representatives and chose the forms.

You have to think about it a little, but it's pretty implicit.

Actually it's interesting that according to Kaworu's ending translated by Reichu in this thread they're beings without a true body, the physical form of Lilith and Adam could have been taken when they've arrived to Earth.

You have to reconcile what the mystery Seed says with the contents of the Classified Info:

Within a carrier known as a "Moon", the First Ancestral Race fabricated a perfect cavity (also referred to as a "Moon"), at which point the Seed, or "Progenitor Entity", would be placed inside and sent out into space.

Makes it sound like they were physically put in there.

@Zenoseiya: No Rebuild stuff, please. Bad, Zenoseiya. Bad!!

This, on the other hand, may be relevant to the continuity in which progenitor aliens are a known component:

Adam ate the Fruit of Life, giving the Angels eternal life and power.
Lilith ate the Fruit of Knowledge, giving humans knowledge and death.
We received only knowledge, death, and proliferation.
People pursue eternal life without refrain... but Angels also seek out Lilith in similar pursuit of the Fruit of Knowledge.
The fusion of Adam and Lilith will return everything to nothing, and new life will take seed.
Bearing both knowledge and eternal life – in order to become new life.
But whether those inhabiting that life will be us humans or Angels ... we cannot know.
(...)
Life being eternal is not what's important.
What is crucial is bringing all of our souls together as one.
Rei, you will become that door, and be the guidepost for the complementation of all hearts.

I'm not sure I can agree with you about the FAR being "Lilin"... I'd think they'd look like pint-sized Adams if anything.