Seele, Post 3I

[Blue Monday]

You're acting like it's optional. They can reject him all they like, but his soul will still be liberated from his body and he'll still be floating around like everyone else when all is said and done. It's possible that in the EoE version he doesn't get mashed into Instrumentality, but . . . so?

I guess. Whenever I watch that scene though, that's what feels like the bite and sting for Gendo (No pun intended). After what happened to Yui he worked at nothing but his own goal/agenda at the cost of hurting others, especially Shinji. It is the recompense for all that. The tables are turned, it's thrown in his face and he gets chomped.

Ikari Gendo, denied.

[Bagheera]

I guess. Whenever I watch that scene though, that's what feels like the bite and sting for Gendo (No pun intended). After what happened to Yui he worked at nothing but his own goal/agenda at the cost of hurting others, especially Shinji. It is the recompense for all that. The tables are turned, it's thrown in his face and he gets chomped.

Ikari Gendo, denied.

Sure. But he's denied Yui, not Instrumentality. He's still in there with everyone else, but he doesn't get to go with her when she leaves. That's his real punishment.

[Monk Ed]

Sure. But he's denied Yui, not Instrumentality. He's still in there with everyone else, but he doesn't get to go with her when she leaves. That's his real punishment.

I recall Reichu taking issue with this. Not with particularly spirited argumentation but rather a kind of gut feeling. Anybody remember that conversation? Where it kept bugging her about the way he was Instrumentalized, and she kept feeling like maybe his soul really was brought into the core with her with that symbolic bite? But Reichu's on hiatus so I guess there's no one to take up that charge.

[Bagheera]

I recall Reichu taking issue with this. Not with particularly spirited argumentation but rather a kind of gut feeling. Anybody remember that conversation? Where it kept bugging her about the way he was Instrumentalized, and she kept feeling like maybe his soul really was brought into the core with her with that symbolic bite? But Reichu's on hiatus so I guess there's no one to take up that charge.

I suppose that's possible, but if that happened wouldn't Gendo be a bit happier about it?

[Stryker]

It feels like that would be true in the TV series but not so much in EoE.

I don't know if this or the other way around. I mean, in the EoTV version, I felt she was less motivated, while in EoE she was more determined as a character to get shit done.

I might do a rewatch of NGE. I'll make a topic about it, 'take notes and do some simple commentary.

[Bagheera]

I don't know if this or the other way around. I mean, in the EoTV version, I felt she was less motivated, while in EoE she was more determined as a character to get shit done.

The way I read it that's pretty much exactly what he was saying.

[Stryker]

Mistake on my part, misread the thing. Sorry.

[Lurkis]

I suppose that's possible, but if that happened wouldn't Gendo be a bit happier about it?

Gendo also seemed to show remorse at the end about how he treated Shinji. Maybe he regretted being alone with Yui (if he was indeed absorbed in Unit 01) and instead wanted to be with Shinji as well.

[Dream]

Gendo also seemed to show remorse at the end about how he treated Shinji. Maybe he regretted being alone with Yui (if he was indeed absorbed in Unit 01) and instead wanted to be with Shinji as well.

I think that was actually Gendo going "Yeah, now that i think about it, i've really been an utter dick towards Shinji and after this bit of self-reflexion, i think i've took a few wrong decisions in how to live my life, i'm sorry you had to suffer for all of this, Shinji" More than regretting something he won't get, i had the impression he was regretting all the cruel things he did during and before the series.

Monk Ed: I think i saw that discussion you were talking about, but i barely remember it. I think Reichu said something like "The idea of Gendo getting brought into the core to travel with Yui is oh so romantic, but unlikely/impossible" I'm specially not sure whether she said unlikely or impossible.

[Blue Monday]

Sure. But he's denied Yui, not Instrumentality.

I'll settle for that.

[Merkaba]

Wouldn't there have been more indication that Gendo was absorbed into the core? I know most people on here say that "Anno is a troll" and such, but there as no indication that Gendo was with Yui as she embarked into space.

Two things come to mind: Yui's monologue to Shinji right before he re-materialzed in EoE. I feel that Gendo would have made an inspired statement along with her. Also, the final lines of EoTV: "To my father, thank you. To my mother, farewell." Wouldn't Shinji have said farewell to both of them?

And like Bagheera said, Gendo was around during EoTV, which means he made it into Instrumentality. Then again... Yui was in EoTV's final scene among the others, so I guess I can't say appearing in EoTV excludes one from being in Unit-01's core. So there's the caveat to my second idea. And the first, I suppose, could be just Anno's way of ambiguous storytelling.