Do you Dislike Q?

[TheFriskyIan]

Good Lord, Anno really spoiled people with NGE and EoE didn't he?

[Jadley]

Or maybe you need to stop assuming you know why people think as they do, and accept that they might not be upset over unmet expectations. Anno is certainly entitled to do as he likes, but that doesn't mean the rest of the world is obligated to appreciate his efforts.



Yes, of course. It's all about the viewer. The work itself has nothing to do with it.

1. I am merely generalizing when i say these things, i don't speak for everyone here and nor do i speak of everyone either, I'm just saying what i think and what i see in here.
No need to take it personal.
I assume based on what i see, therefore i don't believe any of my statements are all 100% valid and true, i never said they were, the fact is that this is the Internet, it's not like you can read someone's mind over a forum :/.

2. mmmhmm .

[thegoodson]

I say masturbate away Anno. I'm not going into art looking for some validation of my own POV. I want to see something unique and personal, that I might be able to relate to, and if not, a new understanding of the world. A window into another subjectivity. I feel like condemning it is missing the point. I mean you're free to critique, but the opinion that self-indulgence is always negative is just straight shit to me. If it doesn't gel with my own perception, all the better.

This was a lot more eloquent then my previous drunk post

Edit: and if it does gel with me, woohoo more personal investment! Is there a beer smiley?

[Warren Peace]

On a rational level, I am just frustrated with Anno. I'm frustrated with his inability to advance despite years of "therapy"

I really wish people would stop psychoanalyzing Anno's mental state based on his work. The stories he chooses to tell have no bearing on how much he's "advanced" or how satisfied he is in life (which is none of our damn business). If Anno were Shinji Ikari, he wouldn't have the self-awareness to write Shinji Ikari! It's slightly creepy, the constant assumptions about his life based on giant robot stories. Nobody made statements about how Cutie Honey related to his "advancement" because that's just a movie. It's still just a movie.

[A.T. Fish]

I really wish people would stop psychoanalyzing Anno's mental state based on his work.

This.

[Mr. Tines]

Good Lord, Anno really spoiled people with NGE and EoE didn't he?

The circumstances of that work led to it having a level of raw unfiltered honesty that has really spoken to people. It was clear from the outset that the new project would be measured against that original high mark; and that it would be difficult for it to bottle the lightning on demand.

What wasn't predictable was to what degree and in which manner it would fall short -- a task made more difficult as different people took different aspects and accidents of the original as significant to themselves, so have detached from the project, each at different points, based on how the new project has (mis-)handled those parts of the original as they come up.

I really wish people would stop psychoanalyzing Anno's mental state based on his work.

When the original was, to a significant degree, his art therapy for depression, that raises certain expectations, however misguided, about his continuing relationship with the work. What we hadn't expected was that it would be quite so Proverbs 26:11 as it has in fact turned out.

[Gendo'sPapa]

Aren't you the one who had a self-righteous toast about no longer talking about Rebuild & moving on from Eva?

[Mr. Tines]

moving on from Eva?

About not moving on to the Rebuilds.

[pwhodges]

About not moving on to the Rebuilds.

And yet you know them so well! ;)

What wasn't predictable was to what degree and in which manner it would fall short -- a task made more difficult as different people took different aspects and accidents of the original as significant to themselves, so have detached from the project, each at different points, based on how the new project has (mis-)handled those parts of the original as they come up.

[Gendo'sPapa]

So why not heed your advice & move on from the Rebuilds? I really do enjoy your insights on all the other subforums here on EvaGeeks. You're a smart guy who really can contribute a lot to a conversation. BUT you're insights & additions to the Rebuild of Evangelion subforum has always struck me as petty & quite a waste of time. You clearly have nothing but disdain for the existence of Rebuild & (unless if I have misread some of your previous posts & I'm wrong which I very well could be) you haven't even bothered to watch any of the Rebuilds since the first one.

So I don't see what you intend to ever add to a Rebuild conversation except for some variation on "I hate that this exists. It's a disappointment. I refuse to even watch them cause they're so bad. Let me throw some witty remarks as to why it's a joke that people could even see merit in these." Now I'm not saying people need to be fans of Rebuild to post here but they should be willing to engage in actual conversations with catch & pull besides "No, you may like it, but it's shit."

Maybe I'm just overreacting. But like I said, I really enjoy your insights on all the other subforums here - you're clearly a smart insightful guy- & the reason I come to EvaGeeks - besides being the number one source for Evangelion news - is the stimulating conversation but your additions to the Rebuild talks almost come across as trollish. For every little blurb that gives an insight into why you dislike the film there's five more that are just variations on "Nah, this whole thing is a disaster. Certainly not worth my time watching."

I guess maybe I'd like to see more variation in your insights on the Rebuild subforum & if there's nothing more to add why keep up with all the snark & not just heed your advice of moving on?

[Thejackal32]

Spoken like a true artist. And that's precisely the problem with some spheres of art, no matter how deluded or narcissistic we want to be, the real world slaps us in the face and tells us: change yourself or perish. Hell! Wasn't that supposed to be the journey Shinji went through in Evangelion with both of its (ultimately) positive conclusions? I have been there.

I could be mistaken but wasn't Shinji's journey in NGE about him learning to love him himself for who he is? The truth is there isn't much we can't change about ourselves, what genetics have determined is what will be the final result, I'm not saying that you shouldn't aspire to improve yourself but you shouldn't be trying to be something your not. I could be wrong on this though. also, sorry for the off-topic.

[Mr. Tines]

So I don't see what you intend to ever add to a Rebuild conversation except for some variation on "I hate that this exists. It's a disappointment...

Isn't that simply saying that I'm being on-topic in this thread?

Besides, as one of the staff, I feel obligated to check what's going on in all the forums (even role-playing); and for the Rebuild forums, to monitor what's going on here so I can spot unguarded spoilers elsewhere. When a significant number of the other mods and admins are staying away from the forum so as to avoid being spoilt, it has to be someone like me doing a big share of that work.

[Bagheera]

I guess maybe I'd like to see more variation in your insights on the Rebuild subforum & if there's nothing more to add why keep up with all the snark & not just heed your advice of moving on?

In most threads you'd have a fair point here. In this one, not so much.

[Seele00TextOnly]

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[Reichu]

+ [some arbitrarily chosen positive number] to what Seele00 said.

[esselfortium]

Yeah, I'd have to agree. Even as someone with a distaste for Rebuild in general, it makes no sense to me for someone to post as much about how much they hate it without actually watching it to form their own unique personal opinion of how bad it is, rather than just basing it on what they've picked up second-hand from what others have already said. :P

[Tarnsman]

Saying you hate Rebuild without watching it is like saying you dislike a food you've never eaten. You can dislike it on merit, that's fine, but unless you've actually seen it, constantly popping in just to remind people you hate it is pretty pointless.

[Warren Peace]

Wait, he STILL hasn't seen the thing? Holy moly. Now the "fan fiction" stuff makes a little bit more sense. If you haven't watched the film, it would be nothing more than a collection of plot points filtered through fandom. With Anno especially, how things happen is just important as what happens. Some times even more so. Imagine judging EoE as just a series of events on paper. It strips away the soul. It discounts atmosphere, mise-en-scène, acting, editing, direction...

...am I seriously explaining why this is totally bonkers? This is totally bonkers! ARRRRRRRGH!

[Bagheera]

Meh. the fan fiction stuff is apt, and IMO people are overplaying Tines' barbs on the matter. I do agree that one should generally keep his trap shut about a show unless he's actually seen it, but it's not like he's relentlessly hating on the show at every opportunity here; he mostly keeps quiet unless it's a mod matter or he's specifically asked about it.

[pwhodges]

And when the hell did they ever mention something about Wille's mission or "Cover goal" being to turn the red ocean to blue?

The source, I think, is this translation by Reichu of a Japanese source linked in that post.

A couple important clarifications:
-The "turning the seas back to blue" thing was debunked proper a couple months ago. No one knows where it came from.

When and where was it debunked?