Rei: Angel or not?
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Rei: Angel or not?
State your opinion here.
I believe she is an angel. Proof follows.
On the most fundamental level, Rei = Kaworu
Kaworu = Angel
by the substitution property of equality which states "if a = b and b = c, then a = c", I can conclude that Rei = Angel.
But that's just my opinion and how I got that opinion. State your opinion here.
I believe she is an angel. Proof follows.
On the most fundamental level, Rei = Kaworu
Kaworu = Angel
by the substitution property of equality which states "if a = b and b = c, then a = c", I can conclude that Rei = Angel.
But that's just my opinion and how I got that opinion. State your opinion here.
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Rei is a clone of Yui Ikari with the soul of Lilith, Kaworu is the body of ? with the soul of Adam, common knowledge, next
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Humans have AT Fields, that's what holds them together. They just aren't as powerful as those of the other Angels.Sailor Star Dust wrote:Humankind is an Angel too, just without any Angelic powers (AT Fields, floating, etc).
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This may be a mundane topic of sorts, but I haven’t posted like this in far too long. It doesn’t hurt to reaffirm one’s position I suppose…
Rei is most certainly and angel (reason being has been stated here numerous times ), but she's, of course, a manmade one, and thusly isn't "registered" along with the Angels of Adam's true offspring, numbers 3-16. Being registered as an Angel would appear to be a work in progress in itself, something done as encountered (see: Bardiel), with malleable stats, as there's no way to know much of what the Dead Sea's scrolls prediction of the angels entailed, how much was actually predicted, if the names that were given to Adam’s offspring were mandated within…
….Not at all likely.^^;
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As for the great Kaworu, while also manmade, he is separate from that bunch most certainly because he makes Keel so happeh. =P
.....um, I mean, because he functioned on Adam's soul. Which magically means he's also Tabris, the 17th. >.>; These are all presumed inferences, which are a short step away from Eva's well known fanwanks, but information of this nature can sometimes be pieced together in a way that makes the fact the true nature of non lilim entities seem to change somewhat during the course of the show a non-issue.
Rei is most certainly and angel (reason being has been stated here numerous times ), but she's, of course, a manmade one, and thusly isn't "registered" along with the Angels of Adam's true offspring, numbers 3-16. Being registered as an Angel would appear to be a work in progress in itself, something done as encountered (see: Bardiel), with malleable stats, as there's no way to know much of what the Dead Sea's scrolls prediction of the angels entailed, how much was actually predicted, if the names that were given to Adam’s offspring were mandated within…
….Not at all likely.^^;
Remember, cool exotic names/barely established references are c000000l....
As for the great Kaworu, while also manmade, he is separate from that bunch most certainly because he makes Keel so happeh. =P
.....um, I mean, because he functioned on Adam's soul. Which magically means he's also Tabris, the 17th. >.>; These are all presumed inferences, which are a short step away from Eva's well known fanwanks, but information of this nature can sometimes be pieced together in a way that makes the fact the true nature of non lilim entities seem to change somewhat during the course of the show a non-issue.
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Anonymous_Evafan wrote:Rei is an Angel as ALL humans on Earth are.
I bet the humans on all those other planets are Angels, too.
The Lilim are all lumped under a single number because they're a "colony organism". (See: Misato in #25'.)
Rei doesn't get a number for the same reason none of the Evas do. <insert reason here>
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Reichu wrote:Anonymous_Evafan wrote:Rei is an Angel as ALL humans on Earth are.
I bet the humans on all those other planets are Angels, too.
The Lilim are all lumped under a single number because they're a "colony organism". (See: Misato in #25'.)
Rei doesn't get a number for the same reason none of the Evas do. <insert reason here>
Insert the reason please or I will have no choice but to refuse your explanation.
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Rei could be the alternative seventeenth angel. If I remember right, SEELE's Dead Sea Scrolls mentioned seventeen trials of man. But mankind, unified race or not, is certainly not unified in its trials. I imagine that the Dead Sea Scrolls listed the trials in the way to instrumentality for the entire human race, not the exclusive, controlled versions that Gendo and SEELE are aiming at.
If each angel represents a trial, from SEELE's point of view, Kaworu/Tabris isn't a trial for them, born of adam or not. As far as they are concerned, his counterpart, Rei, would be the seventeenth angel. It's merely a point of view on who's useful to you and who threatens you.
If each angel represents a trial, from SEELE's point of view, Kaworu/Tabris isn't a trial for them, born of adam or not. As far as they are concerned, his counterpart, Rei, would be the seventeenth angel. It's merely a point of view on who's useful to you and who threatens you.
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UrsusArctos wrote:Rei could be the alternative seventeenth angel. If I remember right, SEELE's Dead Sea Scrolls mentioned seventeen trials of man. But mankind, unified race or not, is certainly not unified in its trials. I imagine that the Dead Sea Scrolls listed the trials in the way to instrumentality for the entire human race, not the exclusive, controlled versions that Gendo and SEELE are aiming at.
Are these "trials" the stuff of CI?
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UrsusArctos wrote:If I remember right, SEELE's Dead Sea Scrolls mentioned seventeen trials of man.
I don't think this is ever stated in the show. In fact, I can't think of anything canon-y where this is stated.
If each angel represents a trial
If Lilith gave Gehirn a hard time, we never heard about it.
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I can't recall where I heard that: at first I thought it came from the Classified Information, but it might've been junk from somewhere else, like the Naoko in Zerogoki and Baron of Hell junk.
What puzzles me is the whole angel numbering system. I thought the CI labelled Lilith as the Second Angel explicitly, but how are the angels from Sachiel onward labelled? In order of their appearance? Or in order of their creation? The first angel to be created need not always be the first to reach Tokyo-3.
What puzzles me is the whole angel numbering system. I thought the CI labelled Lilith as the Second Angel explicitly, but how are the angels from Sachiel onward labelled? In order of their appearance? Or in order of their creation? The first angel to be created need not always be the first to reach Tokyo-3.
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