The starting scene of Episode 25'- what's the use of it?
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The starting scene of Episode 25'- what's the use of it?
It's been some time since I last opened a topic- it feels good.
Okay, I'm not sure whether an exactly same topic has already existed, but from an old thread 'How might Shinji learn to love himself', I was prompted to think a question:
Why did Anno add that Room 303 scene to the movie?
Shinji is a coward indeed, I'm fully aware of it, but why would the director need to add such an obscene scene?
Okay, I'm not sure whether an exactly same topic has already existed, but from an old thread 'How might Shinji learn to love himself', I was prompted to think a question:
Why did Anno add that Room 303 scene to the movie?
Shinji is a coward indeed, I'm fully aware of it, but why would the director need to add such an obscene scene?
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Think about everything Shinji has been through up to that point.
Rei has died and been revealed to be a clone.
Asuka has discintegrated to the point where she's been heavily sedated for her own safety.
Ritsuko has been jailed.
Kaji is dead.
Touji's lost his leg.
Shinji's friends homes have all been destroyed.
Gendo has completely alienated Shinji.
Kaworu has been killed at Shinji's hands.
Shinji's having a pretty bad month. I can't think of anything more appropriate that could happen at that precise moment to just make him feel even worse. Can you?
You may think it's obscene, but I think it's an important and integral part of the film.
Rei has died and been revealed to be a clone.
Asuka has discintegrated to the point where she's been heavily sedated for her own safety.
Ritsuko has been jailed.
Kaji is dead.
Touji's lost his leg.
Shinji's friends homes have all been destroyed.
Gendo has completely alienated Shinji.
Kaworu has been killed at Shinji's hands.
Shinji's having a pretty bad month. I can't think of anything more appropriate that could happen at that precise moment to just make him feel even worse. Can you?
You may think it's obscene, but I think it's an important and integral part of the film.
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I don't think masturbation is a good way to express your sadness. Right Shinji has had a bad month, but I still don't see why he should do that to Asuka.
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tinmeigut wrote:I don't think masturbation is a good way to express your sadness. Right Shinji has had a bad month, but I still don't see why he should do that to Asuka.
At your age, I thought the same way about the scene. But after some thought, it really makes a lot of sense, not to mention that there's a distinct thread of strangulation that runs throughout Evangelion, and masturbation is very similar to strangulation.
The Eva Monkey wrote:Think about everything Shinji has been through up to that point.
Rei has died and been revealed to be a clone.
Asuka has discintegrated to the point where she's been heavily sedated for her own safety.
Ritsuko has been jailed.
Kaji is dead.
Touji's lost his leg.
Shinji's friends homes have all been destroyed.
Gendo has completely alienated Shinji.
Kaworu has been killed at Shinji's hands.
Shinji's having a pretty bad month. I can't think of anything more appropriate that could happen at that precise moment to just make him feel even worse. Can you?
You may think it's obscene, but I think it's an important and integral part of the film.
You forgot his relationshio Misato had broken down too.
tinmeigut wrote:I don't think masturbation is a good way to express your sadness. Right Shinji has had a bad month, but I still don't see why he should do that to Asuka.
The boy was broken by that point and not in his right mind. To me at least it sets up the feeling of deep dread I get when Rei gives him control of instrumentality.
A neglected and wrecked child is literly handed the weight of the world.
In the end he at the very least came back showing that their is hope for him. And if that kid take the risk of being hurt to have a chance at life do the rest of us really have nothing to complain about.
Thats what I took from it anyway
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And how much sense does it really make? Please explain. Also, how is strangulation similar to masturbation?
And how much sense does it really make? Please explain. Also, how is strangulation similar to masturbation?
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I don't think we wanna know the anwser to that one...tinmeigut wrote:how is strangulation similar to masturbation?
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tinmeigut wrote:Also, how is strangulation similar to masturbation?
Ever heard of "choking the chicken"?
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All those horrible things that have happened to Shinji that DatDude and Evamonkey mentioned, Shinji's not going to be in the best mental state. That's the point of that scene, to show how rock-bottom he's hit.
Note how even after he finished masturbating, his words, "I'm the lowest of the low" implies IMHO that he feels EVEN WORSE THAN BEFORE.
And though Rei gives Shinji the power to decide what to do with "his world", the fact that he ends up choosing to live while knowing Instrumentality is wrong, DESPITE EVERYTHING---ALL THE PAIN, SUFFERING, AND BETRAYAL (inmo, only his preciption of things, as both EoTV and EoE point out: nobody "hates" him, HE wants to think that) HE'S BEEN THROUGH, that to me is beautiful, but that's a topic for another day. ;)
Note how even after he finished masturbating, his words, "I'm the lowest of the low" implies IMHO that he feels EVEN WORSE THAN BEFORE.
And though Rei gives Shinji the power to decide what to do with "his world", the fact that he ends up choosing to live while knowing Instrumentality is wrong, DESPITE EVERYTHING---ALL THE PAIN, SUFFERING, AND BETRAYAL (inmo, only his preciption of things, as both EoTV and EoE point out: nobody "hates" him, HE wants to think that) HE'S BEEN THROUGH, that to me is beautiful, but that's a topic for another day. ;)
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The first few minutes of Air get to the basic themes -- sex and death. And Shinji manages to fumble both of them.
I'm sure someone could get all po-mo on that.
I'm sure someone could get all po-mo on that.
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Um... i more had the feeling he just couldn't hold his physical love for Asuka and that's why after the disgusting scene he says that he's the lowest. (didn't you people saw he was looking at her ... )Hormones are so dificult to handle at that age too... i wonder why u were thinking about strangulation.
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Some English language slang/euphemism for male masturbation likens it to choking (=strangling). As has been said before, EoE starts with Shinji choking his chicken and ending by choking his Asuka.
po-mo << where feeling lucky at Google takes you.
Some English language slang/euphemism for male masturbation likens it to choking (=strangling). As has been said before, EoE starts with Shinji choking his chicken and ending by choking his Asuka.
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Mr. Tines wrote:@Ejinathan
Some English language slang/euphemism for male masturbation likens it to choking (=strangling). As has been said before, EoE starts with Shinji choking his chicken and ending by choking his Asuka.
K i've never heard that before about the chicken thing ... thx for clarification!
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