Magami No ER wrote:I was kinda kidding, I wholeheartly agree with your views. And as for the chest thing, I was sorta talking about anime fans whole enjoy looking at anime boys.
Reichu wrote:I bet Kaworu killed it.
And speaking of old man Keel... I wonder if there should be anything in Adam's flashbacks about unpleasant (or pleasant, depending on whom you ask o_O ) going-ons between Kaworu and his Master. I would be really, really scared if there was a Kaworu/Keel version of that sick Gendo/Rei 1 H-doujin in "Paradise Lost 2". "Oh, Tabris, it's time for your Bratwurst..."
Soluzar wrote:All too true. There is a predjudice, an inequality still about such things. The Anime industry is all too happy to show bare breasts, and even other, naughtier bits, as long as they are on female characters, but you pitch them a concept which involves fanservice for the viewer who is oriented towards males, and it would seem, from the output of the larger distributors at least, that there is significant resistance to the concept.
Magami no ER wrote:Even just the chest can be good enough for most girls.(Saiyuki pic....Sanzou)
Soluzar wrote:Aww.... Thanks. That's just not something I hear every day. Usuually when people use that sort of sentance in reference to The Biscuity One, they replace the word, 'nice' with either 'weird', or if they are really kind, 'strange but nice.
My perspective is that even the 'straightest' person is no more than 65-75% oriented towards the opposite sex, and that still leaves a whole 25% or more of themself which is aroused by their own gender, but would rather not admit it.
In the same way, I think that the sort of people who look for these sorts of characteristics, or other obvious and stereotypical characteristics are actually compensating for the fact that they aren't really sure in themselves of what they want - they rely on society to tell them what is sexy.
Errr, I think I got carried away with that topic. Ignore me.
Uhuh. Girls are often said to be less 'visually aroused' than guys, and I've heard enough from various acquaintances of mine to believe it.
Ahh. I am wrong then. I thought that the various eden inhabitants weren't bound to their earthly shape.
I had assumed that Kaworu/Tabris might look very different in Eden. Ie, with a core, for copious 'nuking off', and fanservice for Magami! :-P
On a pointless aside, Adam never actually appears in Eden; we meet her (and Lilith) somewhere else.Magami no ER wrote:And as for Kaworu "nuking off", I sketched a wittle pic of Kaworu, uh, trying to do that in a harpy costume(sorry Treize X ^^), useing a small SoL.
After seeing some sort of Rei H-doujin, not but an hour ago, I have a feeling that this must be even disturbing for Adam than I thought.(those doujinshi were disturbing, in a disgusting way....I was misinformed before looking at them!)
Reichu wrote:No bulging packages for you?
You should see my sketchbooks... :cough: Then, they don't really seem to confirm much aside from the fact that I am a weirdo pervert, but, as I always say, "Tis better to draw weird and perverted things than actually do them."
"Nuking off" is just stimulating the surface of the core, and somewhat less lethal than what the harpies do. As for that, I'm not sure what an appropriate slang would be... Kernfick, maybe?
At least I didn't miss anything, it was all stuff I learned in 3rd grade.BTW, that pic sounds cute. Make sure we get to see it sometime.
) Take a look at it if you wish sometime, though I only have a few Eva-related works in there. Anything in the future will be put on murdered threads such as this--though I did try to keep it going with an on-topic question.^^ Hikari had a red and white plugsuit in something else?Were they Kaworu/Rei, by any chance? If so, how could they be any more disturbing than a Kaworu/Keel "Bratwurst Incident"?
It was horrible.(I did draw something related to the "Bratwurst" thingy, but that's only because I was over tired and on a sugar high, my version of intoxication, if you couldn't tell from my numerous spelling errors last night.) It will never leave my room for that reason. Reichu wrote:Male characters are rarely the victims of fan service, but it can happen... There is just little financial incentive to do so, except for anime that are targeted specifically at females. And, overall, there seems to be greater demand for beautiful, even androgynous, men, as opposed to a treatment that emphasizes "masculine" qualities. (Though I suppose there is plenty of room for both.)
Hmm, that about sums it up for my reputation, as well.
Egads! I can appreciate the points that are being made, but in order for most of the issues that are mentioned to actually trouble your psyche, you'd have to be more twisted than a corkscrew. The homosexual aspect of masturbation is not one which most people think about, but that is one that I can see the truth of. The other statement that rings true is of course simply an academic redux of Woody Allen's famous statement...Heh heh, reminds me of this intriguing essay:
Woody Allen wrote:Masturbation is sex with someone I love and respect.
This amused me quite a bit, since I'd been throwing around a similar argument, for kicks if nothing else.
Remind me to tell you some time about a few of the most 'beautiful' (in the standard way) girls I know. They're mostly airheads, or Asuka-types, and as such, intrinsically ugly to me. Beauty is from the inside, and someone's face and body can only ever be the (very pleasant) icing, on an already delicious cake of personality. No matter how much icing you put onto a cake that is made of something nasty, like roading tar, I won't be taking a slice. The sad part is that so many men seem to be queueing up to do so.Or maybe they are "beautiful people" themselves and won't settle for anything "less".
Meh. Not all men have that standard in their minds. There's something beautiful about any woman with a good personality. I'll take the good personality over the good face/body any day of the week. It's the only one of the 3 that I can be confident will be the same in 60 years time. There's a certain schadenfreude to be had from the knowledge that those who have little going for them other than their looks will eventually lose even that. Imagine Asuka as an old woman. No more teasing Shinji with that body!One thing I've noticed -- 'society' seems to be much more flexible about what can be considered sexy in men than in women. I.e., men are permitted to show a much greater degree of variation and 'imperfection', whereas women are held to stringent requirements. Sigh, I hate the double standard.
So, how was the intended audience for most of that?
You should see my sketchbooks... :cough: Then, they don't really seem to confirm much aside from the fact that I am a weirdo pervert, but, as I always say, "Tis better to draw weird and perverted things than actually do them."
Well, there are a couple of times an explained phenomenon turns everybody into members of Homo sapiens (and all completely naked for the entire duration). Aside from that, I'm not sure where you might have gotten that impression.
Hell no, it was some guy in a skirt(Gendo?), another dude, and Rei's breast were double the size and her waist was half the size. It was horrible.(I did draw something related to the "Bratwurst" thingy, but that's only because I was over tired and on a sugar high, my version of intoxication, if you couldn't tell from my numerous spelling errors last night.) It will never leave my room for that reason.
Soluzar wrote:Does this dissapoint you? I was under the impression that a lot of women love the androgynous look on a man. Perhaps you were merely observing, rather than complaining.
The homosexual aspect of masturbation is not one which most people think about
Although most of the things I've said about love, respect and sex in this thread are my own long-term deeply-held beliefs, I will admit to having stolen some of those thoughts from The Raptorian Sector. Not so much that I'm echoing your views, more that having read them, they expressed my own more clearly than I had ever been able.
Have I mentioned that I need to update that thing?Remind me to tell you some time about a few of the most 'beautiful' (in the standard way) girls I know. They're mostly airheads, or Asuka-types, and as such, intrinsically ugly to me. Beauty is from the inside, and someone's face and body can only ever be the (very pleasant) icing, on an already delicious cake of personality. No matter how much icing you put onto a cake that is made of something nasty, like roading tar, I won't be taking a slice. The sad part is that so many men seem to be queueing up to do so.
There's something beautiful about any woman with a good personality.
Do you have empirical evidence for that assertion? ~_^
The artists behind h-doujin are strange people.
Reichu wrote:I guess a lot of guys like roading tar.
Even if she looks like Jabba the Hutt?
Reichu wrote:I guess a lot of guys like roading tar.
But well put.
Even if she looks like Jabba the Hutt?
Well, I suppose not... If nothing else, drawing twisted things is an effective form of therapy that keeps my brain from getting any more twisted and deprived than it already is.
Frankly? I can't wait...Hmm, I suppose I'm obliged to make one, then.
ThatWhichPostsStuff wrote:Y'know, this is something females (in my experience anyways) love to do: they go on and on about how guys are utterly unable to live up to their hopes and expectations of them (i.e. being able to appreciate a gal for her inner self instead of her appearance, among other things), and then when they find one who appears to do those things (or says he does), immediately determine that he must be lying and/or faking it, and take great pleasure in "exposing his true nature," or trying their hardest to do so, at any rate. Few women I've met seem willing to abandon the view of males that declares "they're utterly hopeless without women there to 'fix' them"...
Not trying to put you on the spot or anything Reichu, but methinks I really have yet to hear a gal say "He's a good guy" and actually mean it, heh.
Average American Guy wrote:Yeah, personality is important, and stuff. I gotta love a girl for who she is on the inside... as long as she's got a huge rack and her @$$ is perfect!
Soluzar wrote:I'll lay fairly good odds that Reichu was only jesting with me.
But yeah, I don't want to make it sound like I'm saying "all women are exactly the same" or anything like that, but this attitude seems to be a particularly prevalent (and rather irritating, from a "guy perspective") one, in my experience at least...guess I've probably been waiting awhile to say that, come to think of it, heh. I guess the best way to counteract that view, then, would be to live your life as a perfect example of a man who is not 'that way' -- I know I try my best to be a walking, breathing example of a man who's not all about superficial qualities. Hopefully I do pretty well, but you'd have to ask the others about that, since I can't rightly say how others see me. In as far as it goes, I'm confident that 'chu has a fairly decent opinion of me. It's not like I ever miss an opportunity to speak out on this topic, right?HeWhoPostsStuff wrote:At least half-jesting, anyways.
I also must agree sans hesitation with what you say about there being much room for improvement on the male side of things...methinks that "we" are just as bad when it comes to surrendering to the "crude, beer-drinking, sex-obsessed, etc." stereotype as "they" often are to the "ditzy, spendthrift, scantily-clad, etc." stereotype...perhaps Reichu's onto something with the whole "androgeny" deal, I'm always up for less complication in general...I'm sure grayish genderless blobs tend to have a few less things to worry about on a regular basis (as opposed to, say, "Should I use red or pink pseudopod polish with this outift?").
(It's the Kaworu in a harpy costume pic, engaging in a...harpyish form of nuking off.^^; Asuka's in it too.) Y'know, this is something females (in my experience anyways) love to do:
Few women I've met seem willing to abandon the view of males that declares "they're utterly hopeless without women there to 'fix' them"...
Personally, I find that most of the declarations battered back and forth between the sexes end up being shallow stereotypes upon closer inspection. I suspect that a lot of these modern myths only gain "substance" because some people believe in them to the point that they -make- them 'true'. But, like Incisivis once said (paraphrased), "Men are not from Mars, women are not from Venus, they're both from Earth."they go on and on about how guys are utterly unable to live up to their hopes and expectations of them (i.e. being able to appreciate a gal for her inner self instead of her appearance, among other things), and then when they find one who appears to do those things (or says he does), immediately determine that he must be lying and/or faking it, and take great pleasure in "exposing his true nature," or trying their hardest to do so, at any rate.
Not trying to put you on the spot or anything Reichu, but methinks I really have yet to hear a gal say "He's a good guy" and actually mean it, heh.
Soluzar wrote:By my own personal judgement, there are a lot of women out there who are a lot more attractive than they think they are.
:is curious to see what would happen if she stopped:
Frankly? I can't wait...
I totally agree with the sentiment, StuffThing, in the case of the vast majority of the female population, but then again, it'd probably be a huge mistake to assume that one can consider Reichu and the larger female population to be an homogenous group, in as far as their attitudes on such things.
I am the anti-female. So female, and yet not.I'll lay fairly good odds that Reichu was only jesting with me.
I don't think she doubts my own views on this matter. It's not like this is the first time I've expressed them on the forums.
HeWhoPostsStuff wrote:At least half-jesting, anyways.
perhaps Reichu's onto something with the whole "androgeny" deal, I'm always up for less complication in general...I'm sure grayish genderless blobs tend to have a few less things to worry about on a regular basis (as opposed to, say, "Should I use red or pink pseudopod polish with this outift?").
Soluzar wrote:In as far as it goes, I'm confident that 'chu has a fairly decent opinion of me.
I don't think anybody's arguing for genderless blobs, but take a look at Eddie Izzard. The guy wears high heels, makeup, and sequins on stage, and does he seem any the less masculine to you? Not to me.
I didn't mean any of what I posted above to sound misogynistic or anything like that, I guess that particular attitude (or, as in your case, a non-serious reference to it) is just one of my "buttons," I apologize if I said anything more outlandishly stupid than usual. As far as my Female-Oppressing Ancestry goes, guess I'm (along with every other dude) more or less stuck with that, like it or not...though it seems to me to have about as much relevance as someone from, say, Iceland, taking me to task because some Norwegian ancestor of mine ransacked his ancestor's village way back when. It's a bit more extreme than what you mention, but methinks you know what I mean. Reichu wrote:I think whenever I tried telling you that YOU were a 'good guy', YOU would come up with reasons for why it wasn't true. (Or maybe I'm thinking of something else.)
Come to think of it, couldn't one define this as you trying to "fix" me, though more or less in the completely opposite direction that a stereotypical female might do? "At least"? "At LEAST"!?! Stuffman, do not underestimate the jesting power of the Reichu!
Short of being greyish blobs, we can all strive for psychological androgyny -- the next evolution of humankind!
Reichu wrote:Well, considering some of the ways in which men have treated and regarded women in the past (and continuing in some parts of the world today), don't we have right to be suspicious? "How you can trust him? He's a member of a gender that has kept women down for millennia! All men are our enemies!! Always have been, always will be!! There ARE no 'nice guys'!"
Gee, I wonder who that reminds me of... Oh, yeah, everyone I ever met! Very few people are comfortable with taking compliments.I think whenever I tried telling you that YOU were a 'good guy', YOU would come up with reasons for why it wasn't true. (Or maybe I'm thinking of something else.)
Point taken. I just find it odd that so many women who are perfectly nice looking have such low self-esteem, and raging anxiety about their looks.Well, how is one supposed to know how "attractive" she is? Are you attractive if your mother tells you how beautiful you are? If a couple of guys say so? If you sleep with the entire school football team? If you are a super-model? If you're a celebrity who gets into People's Top Twenty Most Beautiful People?
I hope that doesn't happen every time you run out of sketchbooks, or the poor folk in your local art-supplies store will be somewhat surprised. :p
Only Eva-on-Eva, please I don't mind two girls at it, but I draw the line at interspecies pr0n.Well, if Eva-on-Eva/Angel fun is your bag, baby...
Their attitudes on just about EVERYTHING, actually.
Personally, I'd go for that. It preserves all the fun aspects of the purely physical differences between the genders, and removes all of the unimportant differences.Short of being greyish blobs, we can all strive for psychological androgyny -- the next evolution of humankind!
Whenever you're not being paranoid, anyway.
I love that bit, was that in D2K or circle? I'm sure it's in one or the other... He is the single funniest man on the planet for me....Well, remember, he isn't just a transvestite -- he's an executive transvestite!
I can't say these pics outright DISTURB me, but they are decidedly "wrong" in a most un-Reichu manner. Now, if the Evas were naked...
HeWhoPostsStuff wrote:Heh heh, I was wondering how long it'd take you to find this and mete out retribution...
I guess that particular attitude (or, as in your case, a non-serious reference to it) is just one of my "buttons,"
Good ARTIST, yes...and that one I'm not budging an inch on. :P Come to think of it, couldn't one define this as you trying to "fix" me, though more or less in the completely opposite direction that a stereotypical female might do? ;)
Hey, when I said I was pro-blob, I meant it. Seriously, think of how much simpler things would be if the physical was really not even an issue for anyone...in my case, as long as I could mold an appendage around a controller, I'd be all set.
Soluzar wrote:Very few people are comfortable with taking compliments.
I just find it odd that so many women who are perfectly nice looking have such low self-esteem, and raging anxiety about their looks.
I hope that doesn't happen every time you run out of sketchbooks, or the poor folk in your local art-supplies store will be somewhat surprised. :p
Only Eva-on-Eva, please I don't mind two girls at it, but I draw the line at interspecies pr0n.
Calling yourself the anti-female is just throwing out all the good things associated with that label, along with the bad.
Personally, I'd go for that. It preserves all the fun aspects of the purely physical differences between the genders, and removes all of the unimportant differences.
Besides, do you have empirical evidence that they aren't really all out to get me?
I love that bit, was that in D2K or circle?
They don't disturb you? That first one I clicked sure did me! Asuka appears to be slippin' the tongue to her own mom! That's pretty strange stuff!
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