Would Rei survive in Gendo's plan?

[xPearse]

So his plan is to reunite with Yui through Rei as Lilith using 3rd impact, ok. If this plan were to succeed perfectly, would Rei join Gendo and Yui afterwards in instrumentality or would she die/exist as Lilith. I would like to think that she would, showing that Gendo still cares but it was just necessary to reach the end goal where they can all be happy. Together, as a family. I am sorta confused about this so what do you guys think, any thoughts.

[Guy Nacks]

This is actually an interesting question, but I think the driving question behind it is "How much does Gendo actually care about Rei?"

We see him smile in her presence a couple times throughout the series, yet he keeps her in absolutely squalid conditions. This juxtaposition suggests that he sees her only as a tool to reunite with Yui (whom she resembles very closely) and that her importance is only to the larger plot of bringing Yui back rather than Gendo actually attempting to live with and have a good relationship with Rei. Maybe he chose not to for the same reasons he abandoned Shinji, but the show never point-blank addresses why he sent Rei off to live in the projects, so we are left to infer that he cares about what her actual image and appearance represents (i.e. the return of Yui) rather than her as an actual person. Bottom line: He's far too damaged at this point in the series to want to reunite with anyone but his wife and only saw Rei as an important tool to reach that goal.

[Chuckman]

Rei is an aspect of Lilith. She can't really be killed.

[NemZ]

he keeps her in absolutely squalid conditions.

Correction: she keeps herself in squalid conditions because she just doesn't give a shit. If Rei wanted to move we don't have any real reason to doubt that he would have a problem with it.

[Chuckman]

Doesn't give a shit, or doesn't know any better?

[Guy Nacks]

How old do you have to be to rent an apartment in Japan? I mean, her arrangement must've been set up by someone.

[Mr. Tines]

It depends on your reading of the ending(s); reading EoTV as Gendo's good end (as he is indeed re-united with Yui at the last), Rei is around just like everyone else.

[xPearse]

How old do you have to be to rent an apartment in Japan? I mean, her arrangement must've been set up by someone.

I guess the apartment was probably set up by Gendo/Ritsuko, or Rei claimed squatters rights. Im unsure about the age somehow as to be to rent an apartment in Japan but it's frequent in anime to have 14 years olds or younger living alone. Mostly for a lot of stupid reasons or to force events.

It depends on your reading of the ending(s); reading EoTV as Gendo's good end (as he is indeed re-united with Yui at the last), Rei is around just like everyone else.

Probably should have said I was talking about EOE, but since Rei appears in instrumentality to Shinji im guessing it would be safe to say that she would also be there with Gendo. I was very curious about this, since Gendo has no plan to cancel instrumentality, Lilith wouldn't fall apart and thus Rei would be part of the human conscious as a whole. Keeping her alive, or at least in our terms, rather than becoming quantum. Thoughts.

This is actually an interesting question, but I think the driving question behind it is "How much does Gendo actually care about Rei?"

It is clear that he does, there's far too many hints to say Gendo doesn't, but maybe he only did what he had to in order to achieve his goal, knowing that he was using Rei and it was wrong but necessary as in the end, she would join with him.

[FreakyFilmFan4ever]

How old do you have to be to rent an apartment in Japan? I mean, her arrangement must've been set up by someone.

Well, the are the apartment complexes were in was under construction at the time. Whereas that’s annoying to live next to, that doesn’t make the conditions of the apartments themselves unlivable.

But Rei was in charge of keeping her own apartment in order. Maybe they gave Rei a small budget to decorate and furnish the place, but she just decided to go with the hospital bed and a place to stash her clothes when she’s not wearing them. Probably because it reminded her of where she was born, which she considered “home” at the time. (This would change by EoE, when she joins with Lilith.)

[ElMariachi]

Well, the are the apartment complexes were in was under construction at the time. Whereas that’s annoying to live next to, that doesn’t make the conditions of the apartments themselves unlivable.

Correction, the apartment complexes were under destruction, the decrepit state of the hallway to her apartment clearly indicates that people abandoned that place since some time ago. Whoever chose that apartment was fine with it since Instrumentality was scheduled for before the demolition team get to her building.

[Chuckman]

Whoever chose that apartment was fine with it since Instrumentality was scheduled for before the demolition team get to her building.

I wonder what happened to all the milk set to expire two days after Instrumentality.

[xPearse]

I wonder what happened to all the milk set to expire two days after Instrumentality.

Erm, any thoughts on what the topic is actually about.

[Squigsquasher]

I wonder what happened to all the milk set to expire two days after Instrumentality.

It would evolve into a new lactose-based Seed of Life. The world is subsequently covered in yoghurt. All hail the Dairy God.

[Bagheera]

I really don't understand the question. In EoTV we see Rei's fate, and in EoE we likewise see her fate. Where is the confusion?

If you're asking what would have happened in EoE had Rei chosen to go along with Gendo's plan: after the effort to salvage/recover Yui failed I believe Gendo's plan amounted to "get back to Yui, do whatever she wants." I don't think he really had a plan for Rei (or much of anything else) beyond that. As such, the answer is much the same as what we saw in EoE: Rei would have stuck Gendo in Unit 01, Unit 01 would have been transformed via Lance/Lilith, and Lilith would die thereafter (after starting/stopping/whatever Seele/Instrumentality/whatever).

[Reichu]

In the NGE2 ending where Rei does go along with Gendo's plans (or, alternatively, where you're playing as Gendo and Rei doesn't revolt), it's implied that Rei continues to exist inside Eva-01. But for whatever reason she appears older (Lilin!Yui age). That's all I remember right now.

[Bagheera]

Better than wandering around Earth forever, I guess. Assuming she still gives a fig about Gendo and/or Yui at that point at least.

[xPearse]

In the NGE2 ending where Rei does go along with Gendo's plans (or, alternatively, where you're playing as Gendo and Rei doesn't revolt), it's implied that Rei continues to exist inside Eva-01. But for whatever reason she appears older (Lilin!Yui age). That's all I remember right now.

That's interesting to note, thanks.

[Kendrix]

It depends on your definition of 'survive', but it has to be noted that Gendo, as he outright states in EoTv and constantly implies with his cynical talks with Fuyu, is a true believer in his version of Instrumentality and geniunely thinks it's the best for everyone/ the only way for humanity to survive.

That is often overlooked maybe because "selfishly sacrificing everything so he can have that thing he wants" sounds more like what a (cheap cartooish) villain would do, or because, well, we obviously wouldn't want to have our world destroyed, but while he'd sure like his wife back and longs for her/ uses that to motivate himself, that is not how he sees it/operates.



The Yui situation is merely one symptom of a larger problem Gendo has, which is rooted in some inherent degree of social ineptness ("...the formless, intagible things between people" that he doesn't really get due to EoE - and in fact, his plans end up not working because his underlings (Rei, Shinji, Ritsuko...) betray him/ he fails to catch on to their growing dissatisfaction), but becomes truly 'problematic' mostly by his way of dealing with it, or rather, not dealing with it, puttig it on the back burner and resoving to explain/fi it all some day, some time, when, or rather if, his plan works out and instruentality magic does it all for him, and it is this that gives him the kind of outlook on the world where Instrumentality looks like the only way.

Somewhat like Shinji's situation with Kaworu, Gendo happened to meet someone who was unquestionably nice to him and, believing himself to be utterly undeserving, percieved it as an unexplicable miracle out of heaven/ fluke of fate that, once lost, was unlikely to ever be found again, because they don't see themselves as being able to make people like them or go forward in life by their own strenght, it can only come from the outside.

Figures that Gendo, if only by extension, thought that Instrumentality would be genuinely desirable for Shinji and Rei as well. He is genuinely attached to her, but never considered her PoV/how that makes her feel, less out of malice than ineptitude, and having all his energy invested in other things, ie, the plan/ instrumentality day. Gendo's not that invested in the present.