robersora wrote:Nobody is entitled to tell other people what to create. It's obnoxious, it's unproductive, it's wrongheaded.
This is an incredibly flippant and blatant misrepresentation of the discussion that was being had in this topic.
No one here, nor does anyone here frankly have the influence to do so, was "telling" anyone at Khara what to create. The discussion, before interrupted, was what we
HOPE they do.
I hope Khara uses their success and clout in their industry to make entirely original works that wouldn't get produced anywhere else. To try new things and either succeed or fail based on the execution of those ideas.
Kuribo_04 hopes they create future works that fall under the Evangelion franchise umbrella. We have a difference of opinion but it was a robust, sometimes passionate, often all-over-the-place & messy I admit discussion about what we each
HOPED the company would do going forward. I can't speak for Kuribo, but I can 100% guarantee that as someone who works as and with professional artists I have never nor would ever tell anyone what they HAVE to make. But -
and of course in this case this wouldn't happen - the few times people have handed me two ideas for their next project and asked which I preferred I have given my recommendation. That was what the conversation here was essentially. It was a discussion about what we personally preferred and would like to see made in the future. Not an order of what to do as so grossly misrepresented.
And regardless of what Khara does next as a company it’s pretty much a given everyone on this forum -
which is a literal place for the open sharing of opinions - will be more than willing and open to give them the benefit of the doubt and watch the final product when finished and engage with them on the level of what they say or achieve.
But fans conversing about what they'd like an artist they respect to make or attempt to make is not a verboten topic. That is not censorship of the artist. That's a dialogue. If I, a fan of
Filmmaker X, said I really hope they made
Project A and they instead go with
Project B, even though I don't know the personal or situational reasons why they made that decision, I as a fan of their work am allowed to feel letdown, disappointed or disinterested. Those are all rational responses. Being a fan is not engaging in blind following. Being a fan means engaging with the work of artists you respect and wanting/hoping they surprise you, inspire you, and that they do what only they can do at the best of their abilities. If an artist starts producing subpar work or stops challenging themselves and just coasting by on their skills the fan saying they no longer find that artist's work inspiring or even good or is not a “betrayal”.
Now
of course Hideaki Anno and Khara are not examples of artists who have lost their way -
they have been doing excellent work and I admire and am inspired by what they do immensely - but my saying that I hope they make original works unaffiliated with the name brand franchise that helped build their company going forward is not being “
spoilt”. It's an expression of an opinion and desire for what I HOPE to see. And if hypothetically they were to proceed with another Eva project my expressing an initial disappointment or disinterest in that choice is entirely valid.
Now yeah, it's a different matter entirely if having an initial disappointment, or even a criticism of a finished work, is said to the artists face or at them \ through a social media platform like Twitter BUT since no one on EvaGeeks has admitted to being on the board at Khara I think it’s safe to say this type of dialogue should offend no one.
No one here was telling Khara what to do. We were sharing opinions. Yeah, the talk in here gets messy and yeah we often get off track or repeat ourselves or misunderstand one another but at no point was anyone expressing personal ownership over Khara's body of work and future.
If we're being "
blunt" robersora, the only person telling people what to do has been you. You jumped into the discussion, called people "
brats", figuring that rude not constructive insult would somehow end the conversation and when it didn't proceeded to repeatedly misrepresent the discussion that was being had to fit your narrative.
Discussing what we hope our favorite filmmakers, painters, writers or whatever create next isn’t any more “
navel-gazing” than talking about we hope their current projects WILL DO or have done to us. If those topics of discussion are invalid or wrong we may as well shut the forum down cause doing anything with art besides consuming it must be an offensive act.
Honestly, it's the attack on the sharing of opinions that upsets me. The conversation had been civil. It would have welcomed real inclusion. But rudely calling fellow members on here "spoilt babies" and entirely misrepresenting what the ongoing discussion was to fit an agenda is unbecoming of this forum which I've found over the years to be a really welcoming one towards genuine discussion. An honest, if incredibly messy, discussion was being had.
And the thing is I do agree -
and stated so when the topic first began in the Rebuild forum - that a conversation about what Khara is going to do next is pretty much an unnecessary and fruitless one to be had at the moment. They can do ANYTHING. The whole conversation is pure conjecture. There's nothing to ground the topic on. It’s a
Fog of Maybe.
Maybe next they’ll do a movie?
Maybe a TV series?
Maybe it’ll be New Evangelion?
Maybe it won’t?
Maybe Anno will be directing again?
Maybe he won’t? Could it
maybe be a project by Tsurumaki? Or
maybe a first time director? All we really know regarding Khara's future is the Shin Ultraman movie is next summer and if Covid didn't gunk things up
something is to be released in 2022….
maybe.
But while I think it's a foolish conversation to have right now and I would be open to saying that I would never call the people idiots or entitled for having it.
Whatever. I'm disappointed.