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Postby Guy Nacks » Fri Dec 02, 2016 10:57 pm

Source. This was also on Anime News Network's newsfeed.

There are a bunch of fascinating revelations in this booklet, if this is indeed accurate. It describes how Anno left Gainax because he felt he had run out of things to do and formed Khara primarily as an anime planning company or a think tank rather than an actual production company, but that changed once the 1.0 project started to gather steam.

Here's the most important and game-changing excerpt:

According to Anno, Evangelion will continue to be a mainstay of Khara’s output, and even identity. Anno’s overall attitude appears to be that his involvement in the animation industry is simply one of love of the craft–whether it be from the perspective of creator, archived materials curator, or businessman. As he himself states, it is his way of “giving back.” However, because he himself is an animation fan, he admits he can agree with the sentiment of fans who feel that he keeps going back to Eva for the money. And the way he justifies it is very blunt: making money is important, otherwise you cannot reinvest in something else to continue to create.

For the future, he wishes Evangelion will become a cultural icon, one of the cornerstones of anime, much like Gundam, which has become an institution in and of itself. Like Gundam, where many creators can play around with the elements and create their own worlds, it is Anno’s hope that Evangelion can also be set free, to be reconstructed and reinterpreted in many ways by many other artists.


This basically confirms that Anno is essentially bankrolling his studio with profits from the Rebuild films and that Evangelion is about to pull a Tomino/Lucas and have different directors making their own takes on the property with Anno, the chief creative force, ceding control. The implications of this are massive. New EVA TV series, new films, new manga, it's all on the table...but without Anno being the one in the driver's seat.

Here is another interesting excerpt:

Anno sees production companies as “containers.” They house people, and works; sometimes new people come in and out, sometimes works do the same. But the container has to be maintained. Once this management is set up, you have a stable, working system. Using the metaphor of a plantation, Anno says that he feels he can often just concentrate on managing and let others plant the seeds–a feeling that even includes his seminal work, Neon Genesis Evangelion.


This seems to jibe with his previous statements of the production of NGE being a collaboration where he fielded suggestions from everyone and then from that wrote the scripts. It also explains Rebuild and his "plantation owner" role in the production, where most of the actual legwork seems to be coming from his overseers Tsurumaki, Masayuki, and Maeda.

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Postby cyharding » Sat Dec 03, 2016 12:10 am

This raises a couple of questions for me. The first is whether any other anime director in the immediate future will want to touch the property considering the impact it had on the anime industry. The second is if Eva having multiple versions like the Gundam franchise would devalue the original in some way.

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Now you're having me imagine him in white suit and sitting in a rocking chair on a front porch in the South. :lol:

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Postby Apox » Sat Dec 03, 2016 12:15 am

Could be interesting, I'm sure some diehards will dislike this, but I'm okay with more evangelion even tho it might not be done by anno.

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Postby Guy Nacks » Sat Dec 03, 2016 12:38 am

View Original Postcyharding wrote:This raises a couple of questions for me. The first is whether any other anime director in the immediate future will want to touch the property considering the impact it had on the anime industry. The second is if Eva having multiple versions like the Gundam franchise would devalue the original in some way.


Tomino directed more Gundam material in terms of total hours of content by the time War in the Pocket came around than Anno has with NGE and Rebuild combined. The biggest issue is that Anno's been the leading creative force of the franchise for WAY longer than Tomino was when he handed the reins over to other people, so THAT'S the intimidation factor. But, since Anno appears to be encouraging people to take the reins, that may alleviate some concerns. It would be interesting to see an Evangelion project done by Makoto Shinkai, since Shinkai has cited Evangelion as an influence in the past, and he's still relatively young.

To your second point: Everyone's gonna know that NGE and NTE are the "true" Evangelion content because of Anno's involvement, so the fact that someone else helms the material shouldn't devalue the original at all. In fact, it'll probably do the exact opposite. You know why? Because that's the effect that Rebuild alone has been having on a lot of people in regards to the heightened perception and appreciation of the original...and Rebuild's being done by Anno!
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Postby FreakyFilmFan4ever » Fri Dec 09, 2016 4:06 pm

... I'm going to have to process this information a bit longer. I don't know what to feel about Evangelion being a franchise opened to that many different directors. I mean, I guess it's no different than what they've been doing with the many, many different manga versions of the property, but I'm still not sure that I like the concept.
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Postby Reichu » Fri Dec 09, 2016 5:44 pm

@OP, I very distinctly remember hearing something to this effect before, though at this point it's hazy whether it was from an official statement somewhere or just fan speculah... I've been able to find an example of the latter through searches, but none of the former. Not terribly satisfying! Does anyone else feel like they heard about "Eva going Gundam" years ago?
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Postby Ray » Fri Dec 09, 2016 6:58 pm

Personally speaking I'm just glad Eva is going to have a Post Anno, post-rebuild life. Especially considering the obstacles the last rebuild movie has to surmount in order to be a worthy conclusion to Shinji's story.

Maybe I'll get my Shinji ikari raising project anime adaptation?
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Postby BlueBasilisk » Fri Dec 09, 2016 7:01 pm

I'm fine with it. Eva's been farmed out for years for video games, manga, novels and so on without Anno at the helm, and this really isn't any different. Might be good to have someone else's take on the property.
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Postby FreakyFilmFan4ever » Fri Dec 09, 2016 9:39 pm

View Original PostRay wrote:Personally speaking I'm just glad Eva is going to have a Post Anno, post-rebuild life. Especially considering the obstacles the last rebuild movie has to surmount in order to be a worthy conclusion to Shinji's story.

See, I was kinda hoping for the exact opposite. I wanted to see Anno to go through a Post-Eva life. So, whereas this news might not be bad and might even blossom into some marginally neat things with the Eva property, it doesn't guarantee a series of Post-Eva Anno works.

But there might be hope there. Anno expresses that he's simply trying to build capital through this in order to fund other creative endeavors within his studio. I just hope it all doesn't fall into a refined entropy of only non-Anno Evangelion works being produced all of the time. I don't think that's a future any of us want to see Studio Khara fall into. I think we all want to see Anno tackle some non-Evangelion work after this. He hasn't done a none-Eva animated work since Kare Kano in 1998. It's time for him to maybe dip back into the world of animation without Evangelion.
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Postby Mr. Tines » Sat Dec 10, 2016 3:26 am

View Original PostReichu wrote:Does anyone else feel like they heard about "Eva going Gundam" years ago?
Anno was saying Gundam was a Tale, and he wanted to do something similar

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Anno, April 10, 2005 wrote:As for me, I'll do my best so that my next project will come across as a Tale.


We have enough examples of Gundam to see the broad Spacenoid/Char/Newtype/Earth Arc pattern. But even in UC Amuro isn't Kamille isn't Judau isn't Banagher (and even if Char is Char most of the time, he has changes of heart). Even with the Rebuilds, we don't have enough to see what might emerge that isn't just Shinji/Rei/Asuka/Kaworu AU fic.
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Postby hui43210 » Sat Dec 10, 2016 12:02 pm

I absolutely will welcome this, bring on the Anima anime series!!! :D
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Postby Joy Evangelion » Sat Dec 10, 2016 7:02 pm

View Original PostRay wrote:Especially considering the obstacles the last rebuild movie has to surmount in order to be a worthy conclusion to Shinji's story.


I think Final is going to be pretty awesome, since it's being made by the guy that made that movie End of Evangelion.

hui43210 wrote:I absolutely will welcome this


Seriously, man. There are so many great anime writers and directors out there that grew up with NGE and I'm sure would love to do their own thing with the wonderful source material that is the Eva-verse.
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Postby 1731298478 » Tue Feb 07, 2017 5:33 pm

View Original PostReichu wrote:@OP, I very distinctly remember hearing something to this effect before, though at this point it's hazy whether it was from an official statement somewhere or just fan speculah... I've been able to find an example of the latter through searches, but none of the former. Not terribly satisfying! Does anyone else feel like they heard about "Eva going Gundam" years ago?


This was, indeed, Anno's early intention. Here is a very quick translation of a relevant section of the 1.0 CRC Anno interview:

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Anno: ... I think it was probably around October of 2005 that I decided to do the new film series. Of the memos I did in Word, the earliest is dated November 10.

- What sort of things did you put down in that memo?

Anno: I wrote a few different things, but the main thrust was something like aiming to “Gundamize” Eva or to make it “classical.” Among the things I put down was the idea of creating, like a “Part Two,” a new series with the Evangelion name, though the ideal I had in mind was a “G Evangelion.”

- By that you mean a work that, like the old G Gundam, would fundamentally overturn the existing concept of Eva?

Anno: Yeah. You have that development where, “G” does pretty well, then “W” is a hit, with “X” the popularity flags a little, then “S” [Seed] is a mega-hit (laughs). You do have “V” before all that, however.

- So what you wrote focused less on the content of the work than on this kind of business-like concept.

Anno: Right. More than business, I was thinking about the future of the anime industry. I hate calling anime “content,” but when you are thinking in terms of business, you get more misunderstandings within that world if you call it “product,” so I will use “content.” So when you think of anime in terms of “content” rather than as works, outside of kids’ animation, I feel like it is currently finding itself at a dead end. In kids’ animation you have plenty of substantial “content,” whether it is Anpanman or Doreamon or Pokemon or Crayon Shin-Chan, and these works are constantly being updated. You get a good feeling about it, I think. Since you have a lot of works that have already been going for more than ten years, and which look set to endure into the future, I think the line is likely to continue. But when I think about [adult] animation, I worry that there is nothing else besides Gundam.

- That’s something that I myself have long been concerned about - the fact that too few anime produce enduring lines of character-based merchandise.

Anno: Right. If all we have is Gundam, what will become of the industry? Even tokusatsu, which is said to be an industry in decline, has three pillars in the Rider, Ultra and Sentai series, which have endured for thirty or forty years. The amazing thing especially about the Sentai series is the way it renews itself each year and carries on without hiatus. You have had periods of time without any entries in the Ultra and Rider series, but in the end I feel they are reliable properties that have endured into the present day. When we think of these three in terms of our own genre of concern, then despite tokusatsu possessing three pillars, anime has only one in Gundam. Yamato, which had originally planned to establish itself as an enduring line even earlier, has remained, due to various circumstances, unable to do so.

- The only other work you might think of in terms of establishing itself is Macross.

Anno: Macross has also endured, but I still don’t think it has attained mainstream social appeal. Ghibli anime has been mainstreamed, but it has the same kind of feeling as Disney animation and is therefore something of a different case. In any event the only anime merchandise an ordinary salaryman can really place on his desk is Gundam merchandise. I think that, when other people see a mobile suit [on your desk], they just look at it like “this guy likes Gundam” and leave it at that. You get the sense that it is permitted as something understood throughout society as a whole or not something belonging only to otaku. That’s what’s amazing about Gundam. Apart from that, there’s not really any anime mainstream enough that you can put its merchandise on your desk. Because of that, I would like to see more, and more expansive, content, even just one more pillar, that can support the anime industry - understood as being part of a different category than Miya-san’s current work. That is one important motivation [behind the current project]. I feel like with Eva, it is just barely permissible, perhaps, to have the merchandise on your desk. Because of that, I want people to still be making new Eva works ten or twenty years in the future. I think it would be good if it reached a point where not myself, but other young creators, could continue the series as they please, one after another.

- I see. The desire to bring Evangelion up to become that sort of work was present as an important motivation even before beginning the new theatrical series.

Anno: Right. I have the hope that Evangelion can usefully serve as a content pillar supporting the industry as a whole. I could have used some other work, but, thinking about it objectively, in the end I feel that the potential Evangelion possesses as a content will be higher. It’s something that I can develop as I please, without worrying about rights to the original work or other such troublesome aspects.

- Therefore the methodology behind the current project is not a "remake" but a "rebuild," but was this a conception that occurred to you at the same time as that thought?

Anno: Well, that was where the circumstances took me. If I remember correctly, the discussions I had about creating my own company came about prior to the plan for the new theatrical edition, but I believe I had already talked about creating an Eva part two during work on the Nadia DVD-BOX (2001).

- Ah, if I’m not mistaken you had chatted about it with Otsuki-san around that summer at the King Records studio, while you were editing the bonus material Masayuki-san had done. “Let’s keep creating follow-ups, in the manner of Gundam or Yamato.”

Anno: Yeah. At that point I had already started to think that if we didn’t expand and enlarge Evangelion as part of the contents industry, the industry might not have a future, so we should do it while we still could. So I had tried bringing up the idea of doing an Evangelion part two to a number of different people, but all the responses I got expressed a hesitation to touch Evangelion; no one would do it for me (laughs).

- I feel like you had also already brought up, during the Nadia conversation, the idea that it didn’t have to be a continuation of the story, but rather a completely different work, a “G Eva.”

- Right. I told everyone, “It can be ’G Evangelion’, so won’t you do it?”, but they wouldn’t. As I thought, if “V” doesn’t come first, no one will do it for me (laughs). “If that’s the case, maybe I have to create ’V’ myself first...” I think that once you have displayed a sample demonstrating that it’s okay to touch Evangelion, then it becomes easy for other people to alter it and create new works. In order to do that, I thought it was necessary to return to the title once more, myself.

- So you didn’t have the option of creating a different, “G Eva” type work yourself?

Anno: Just before this work I had been thinking for a long time about a live action project, but it had been struggling to get off the ground, and I had rethought the project as a TV anime series, switching it from live action to anime. I had thought, if it was possible, that I would have to do the Eva films alongside it. So at that time, I didn’t intend to put that much time into the Eva project, feeling that I could have the first two parts be upgraded compilations [of the original story] and just change the ending a bit.

This intention seemed to get lost over time, however, and in the 2014 Japan Times interview Anno seemed to have abandoned it altogether:

“All I want to do is to make good films,” he says. “I can either be a director, animator, scriptwriter or producer. Any of those roles is fine with me — I don’t even mind if I’m not involved as a director.”

“Evangelion,” he admits, is something of an exception (“I think it’s better if I direct the “Evangelion” films,” he says), but he balks at comparisons to George Lucas and “Stars Wars,” even though he engineered a Lucas-like reboot of the “Evangelion” series.


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