A remake or a sequel?

[riffraff11235]

I'm asking you if it is official. I would be absolutely sure that it is fanmade if it weren't for the Rebuild-like chorus at the beginning that is from no song of the Rebuild OST (AFAIK).

Ah, sorry. For some reason I only read your post once and thought you were touting it as official. My mistake.

[Ornette]

This is a trailer for Evangelion 3.0, so some might consider this a spoiler. I don´t know if it is official (maybe it is, it has the typical Rebuild-chorus). The thing is, there is a part that may provide an answer (if it is official, of course).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZFvxX-DAoI

It's not official. It's a mish-mash of scenes from 3.0 with bits of the trailer from 2.0.

[kuribo-04]

It's not official. It's a mish-mash of scenes from 3.0 with bits of the trailer from 2.0.

But the chorus. It isn't from any Rebuild OST, and it soundslike it's official.

No problem riffraff. ^^

[Kodaemon]

But the chorus. It isn't from any Rebuild OST, and it soundslike it's official.

One word: pachinko.

[kuribo-04]

One word: pachinko.

OK, then it is definitely fanmade. Is the pachinko music done by Sagisu?

[Hyper Shinchan]

OK, then it is definitely fanmade. Is the pachinko music done by Sagisu?

Yes, the music has been composed and arranged by Shiro Sagisu, the lyrics have been written and sung by Megumi Hayashibara.

http://www.generasia.com/wiki/Shuuketsu_no_Sadame
http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E9%9B%86%E7%B5%90%E3%81%AE%E9%81%8B%E5%91%BD

[kuribo-04]

Thanks for the links!

[Jurrasic]

I don't know if Go Nagai would consider the three series sequels to each other, although they technically are because they follow each other in some kind of timeline, but all the characters forget their previous lives, so does that really make it a sequel? If the world has just been remade, Anno and Khara might not consider that a sequel, just little bits of the old version of Earth got left behind.

Anyway, if NGE and NME are related in any way I imagine it is something along these lines.

This is really what I feel, with all the little things that are put in to give a gentle hint, and have no other reason to be in the film. The blood spray on the moon (from GNR's severed throat in EoE) the outline drawn where Eva 1 ends up being tossed by the 4th angel BEFORE he is tossed there, and most of all every single line of dialogue from Kwarou in the first and second movie all make it obvious that this is a remade world/universe that came to be an unknown time after the events of End of Evangelion.

I hate to quote the remade BSG series, but the line "All this has happened before and will happen again" echoed through my head at every single 'trigger' image or scene of the first 2 movies.

Unless I missed them, have there been any good non-remake reasons put forward for why Kwarou speaks like he is fully aware that this is not his first go-round with this whole Instrumentality business? Why he was awoken from the 2nd opened in a row of coffins ON THE MOON making cryptic comments like "The third child again? you never change." "This time, I will be sure to make you happy" etc. Oh, and staring at the excavated corpse of an Angel/Adam/whatever while doing it?

Sorry, but when there is no reason for a given scene in the plot of the movie in question, the only other possible reason must be assumed to be correct.

Unless there is direct proof otherwise, of course. Is there?

[Monk Ed]

^ The alternative that gets brought up from time to time is that the world of NME is in a self-contained time loop, with no connection to NGE.

[kuribo-04]

This is really what I feel, with all the little things that are put in to give a gentle hint, and have no other reason to be in the film. The blood spray on the moon (from GNR's severed throat in EoE) the outline drawn where Eva 1 ends up being tossed by the 4th angel BEFORE he is tossed there

Actually the blood is from Second Impact (according to the Eva 2.22 storyboards, there's a thread about this). But obviously it's a refernce to End of Evangelion. But the outline is not supposed to resemble EVA-01. I thought that too, but it is supposed to resemble the petrified MP Evas, look at the cross position. They could be an easter egg or something from the new movies' background story that at the same time serves as an easter egg (like the blood on the moon).

[Bagheera]

This is really what I feel, with all the little things that are put in to give a gentle hint, and have no other reason to be in the film. The blood spray on the moon (from GNR's severed throat in EoE) the outline drawn where Eva 1 ends up being tossed by the 4th angel BEFORE he is tossed there, and most of all every single line of dialogue from Kwarou in the first and second movie all make it obvious that this is a remade world/universe that came to be an unknown time after the events of End of Evangelion.

Except all of that evidence has been discredited and we're left with a situation where, far from being obvious, that scenario is a massive stretch. At best we're looking at an NTE-specific loop of some sort, but it's more likely that it's a single shot scenario and Kaworu's lines indicate some sort of connection between the pilots and the Adams.

Unless I missed them, have there been any good non-remake reasons put forward for why Kwarou speaks like he is fully aware that this is not his first go-round with this whole Instrumentality business? Why he was awoken from the 2nd opened in a row of coffins ON THE MOON making cryptic comments like "The third child again? you never change." "This time, I will be sure to make you happy" etc. Oh, and staring at the excavated corpse of an Angel/Adam/whatever while doing it?

Yes, there have. See previous posts in this thread, as well as the Q subforum.

Sorry, but when there is no reason for a given scene in the plot of the movie in question, the only other possible reason must be assumed to be correct.

You have to eliminate a lot more "possible" before you can make that claim in this context.

[Jurrasic]

Actually the blood is from Second Impact (according to the Eva 2.22 storyboards, there's a thread about this). But obviously it's a refernce to End of Evangelion. But the outline is not supposed to resemble EVA-01. I thought that too, but it is supposed to resemble the petrified MP Evas, look at the cross position. They could be an easter egg or something from the new movies' background story that at the same time serves as an easter egg (like the blood on the moon).

Yeah, now that I think about it I remember seeing that image tying the outline to the outstreched arm petrified EVAs. Still a clear call-back, as you say. ;)

The alternative that gets brought up from time to time is that the world of NME is in a self-contained time loop, with no connection to NGE.

Interesting, and also very possible too. The fact that the final movie's title ends with a musical symbol of "End + Repeat" would tend to give this theory some legs too. Or the sequel re-try theory, anything but the 'stand alone' theory really. ;)

Bagheera, I will re-read this thread then and see, cos most of the justifications I saw were pretty far fetched, but I will be fair and re-check.

[Bagheera]

Bagheera, I will re-read this thread then and see, cos most of the justifications I saw were pretty far fetched, but I will be fair and re-check.

When the evidence is noted to be inconsistent with what we see in EoE and explained by the storyboards for the new movies I think calling the "justifications" far-fetched is disingenuous.

[Ornette]

The Entry File 1 book (a book for 1.0) states the chalk outline is "something from the remains of Second Impact".

[Jurrasic]

The Entry File 1 book (a book for 1.0) states the chalk outline is "something from the remains of Second Impact".

Pretty impressive that it landed outside Tokyo 3 when the 2nd impact occured in Antarctica.

[FreakyFilmFan4ever]

Pretty impressive that it landed outside Tokyo 3 when the 2nd impact occured in Antarctica.

Do you know where the 4 Adams are? Do you know where they went during 2nd Impact? Yould they have left the site and scattered?

Seems that way...

[Jurrasic]

Do you know where the 4 Adams are? Do you know where they went during 2nd Impact? Yould they have left the site and scattered?

Seems that way...

Nobody really knows that because the issue hasn't been addressed directly since the 4 beings of light were shown staring down at Misato during 2nd impact. Infact, it was only a "sneak preview" that named them as "Adams" was it not? Their actual dispersal was never really addressed. The previews for the next movie at the end of a Rebuild movie are pretty sketchy material to take as canon considering how rarely the previewed material actually appears in the next movie.

I think it is pretty much agreed now that they are infact 4 angelic beings that were woken at 2nd Impact, instead of a single Angel known as 'Adam' in NGE, but really much about them is still a mystery. Witness the ongoing 'souls/adams/etc. threads in the "Q and Beyond" forum. ;)

*edit* grammar fixes.

[Ornette]

Pretty impressive that it landed outside Tokyo 3 when the 2nd impact occured in Antarctica.

Something landed on the moon, so...

[Jurrasic]

Something landed on the moon, so...

So goes the theory. I am not a believer in it. Those things on the moon were-buried- there, not just randomly tossed up there. a row of coffins all in a neat line for Kwarou to step out of the 5th one, the first four being already emptied?

Ties in to the 'this has happened before' theory, which I don't think is too compatible with '2nd impact sent 1 being to the moon, another to tokyo 3 and 2 more still at large' theory. ;)

I realize that the 'something from 2nd impact' has the strength of canon behind it if it was in published material, but somehow I have a feeling it wasn't Anno-san who wrote that.

*edit* Thank you Monk Ed, never check something in less then full-screen view.

[Monk Ed]

a row of coffins all in a neat line for Kwarou to step out of the 2nd one, the first one being already emptied?

Er, second? I just checked my 1.11. Kaworu emerges from the middle (5th) of 9 visible coffins.