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Postby Alaska Slim » Fri Oct 14, 2016 2:35 am

View Original Postrobersora wrote:I've also watched the new Appmon show. (a.k.a. Tame the Fusion)

Appmon takes the franchise into an interesting new direction. It felt like a weird yet engaging mix between
- Gatchaman Crowds’ very current depiction of how people use and are affected by the internet (without the overt critical undercurrent, of course - this is still Shonen),
- EvangelionQ-esque relationship between the two MCs (including a conversation that’s framed almost the same way as Kaworu’s and Shinji’s in Q in which Kaworu takes off Shinji’s choker),
- A parallel world reminding me of C - the money and soul of possibility control (the weakest of nakamura’s shows, but still cool and definitely high-concept) and also X-1999,
- Also how dependent people are on technology and if one thing fails a lot goes haywire reminded me a lot of .hack… But in Appmon the consequences aren’t that apocalyptic, of course. (at least, not yet)
- Also Dennou Coil might be the better version of this show... But it's not Digimon, so who cares, lol.


Can't say I see half the quality you do.

MC is stated to be good; we get all sorts of people calling him good before we see him do much of anything. We're told, not shown what he's like. The only character trait I'd could pick out, is that he's somewhat self-defeatist.

Thus, when appmon makes the claim to the enemy that the MC is someone who'd fight for others... we have no basis to feel the same thing he is in that scene. We don't know that the MC is like this, we're only told this just now, and expected to accept it at face value as "fact".


Contrast this with Tamers.

By the time Guilmon and Takato had engaged in their first battle, we knew rather well what Takato was like. We had spent the first episode and most of the second with him in his day-to-day life. He wasn't Marty stu. He wasn't someone people bragged about; he was a 10-year old with a penchant for drawing, who wanted a cool pet.

Takato and Guilmon starting out were very much "Boy and his Dog", with the relationship changing overtime and getting hints of drama as Takato; at first excited over having guilmon in his life, beginning to strain himself under the weight of having to train & take care of what he realizes is a dangerous creature that he doesn't fully understand.


To another point, Tamers aesthetically continued the Tokusatsu look digimon established in the first season. Tamers' digimon were mostly conventionally cool creatures: your Wolves, your fire-birds, your giant-lizard cyborgs. It was all about taking a base animal you probably recognized, and then just piling more elements on them as they reached higher stages.


Appli Monsters however continues the look of Fusion, with broader, more pastelle-looking color pallets, and creatures that look like... plastic toys. Less like animals, and more geometric angles. A mish-mash of random elements, that leave them unrecognizable or relatable to anything in the real world, or commonly-known folklore.


Now I didn't think everything in the show was bad; there were two things I liked.

First was the update to the premise; retooling Digimon as something tied to apps, rather than just physical devices. That more directly relates Digimon to things kids would be familiar with, and tells me that the creators are aware enough to not simply re-hash all the same tech elements of the past series, which were made for an internet 2.0 generation.

Second is something I'd say is even an improvement over the previous "good" seasons; tying the mechanics of battle directly to mechanics of the internet.

The "elemental" side of Digimon has always been a bit of a wash compared to Pokemon, and it is largely ignored in the TV series. It only came up twice in season 1, and I never saw it after. Here, we see appmon's power as an extension of the "search engine", relating him to something real world, and which kids watching have probably used. His opponent's power, too, was a real-world thing; texting. This set the stage both for how he attacked (with angry messages), and how he presented himself as a threat to everyday people (spam & the ability to go through your history) This is all basic, but good. It'll be interesting to see how far they can take this, if they can keep formulating new powers that derive from internet applications or features.


But even though both of these things are good, neither will make them better or "as good" as previous seasons if the characterization doesn't pick up. Right now, the show comes off as being at the same level as Data Squad; it's dumb, power-fantasy shounen.
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Postby Rosenakahara » Fri Oct 14, 2016 2:43 am

^ To be fair Data Squad might have been dumb but the last few hours were hype as shit, Masaru punched a mother fucking digi god in the face so hard it exploded.

Also yeah I stopped regularly watching the series after I realised tamers was going to be the peak of the series and I could have my expectations that high for the rest of it.
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Postby Alaska Slim » Fri Oct 14, 2016 5:18 am

View Original PostRosenakahara wrote:^ To be fair Data Squad might have been dumb but the last few hours were hype as shit, Masaru punched a mother fucking digi god in the face so hard it exploded.


Oh no, don't get me wrong. While I first ignored it because of the art-style, I watched Data Squad just because Masaru showed up in the crossover Fusion episode, punching Megas in the face. I have no qualms about it being that way.

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But I can also say, nothing in this new series had me that excited. If the story is just dumb, then they're won't be much to keep me.
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Postby Gus Hanson » Sat Oct 15, 2016 8:29 am

After putting it off for quite a bit, I recently saw the fourth episode of the first film of Digimon Adventure Tri.

The fight between the Digidestined and Alphamon was very convincing in it's brutality and still coming off as well choreographed. Glad to see also that Taichi stopped being so indecisive and manned up, felt like I was watching Shinji Ikari for a second which would've felt bad for such a badass character like Taichi Yagami. Also, Meicoomon looks so darn cute so it makes perfect sense that her Digidestined Meiko would be just as cute as well.
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Postby robersora » Sat Oct 15, 2016 10:05 am

View Original PostAlaska Slim wrote:Can't say I see half the quality you do.


I've just recounted ideas I noticed new to the franchise. Nowhere in my post I hailed it as a new master-piece. With my remark "the second coming of Tamers" I meant similarities in
-the overall style of putting the individual front and center, as opposed to the group.
-staying in the real world and observing effects Digimon would have there.
-the allusions to horror as opposed to keeping the tone straight-out adventurous.

But I also recognized that the aesthetic carried over from Fusion, including the design of the Digimon. Which I don't mind too much, but of course I would have liked something less generic and more distinct.

So yeah. I do still think that this was the best first Episode from a Digimon show since Tamers. But Tamers is in a different league entirely.


View Original PostRosenakahara wrote:Also yeah I stopped regularly watching the series after I realised tamers was going to be the peak of the series and I could have my expectations that high for the rest of it.


Nothing will ever beat Tamers... There's only one Chiaki Konaka, after all.

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Postby Alaska Slim » Wed Oct 19, 2016 6:27 am

View Original PostRay wrote:Apparently The third Digimon Tri movie (Confession) is going to address some of the continuity issues between Season 02 and Tri.

Such as
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What happened to Davis, Cody, Yolei, and Ken. Where Meikomon fits in all this, why the 01 cast doesn't remember what happened at the end of the series, and the secret Identity of the Digimon Kaiser.


Talk on "other" digidestined did happen, but were still not given firm answers. The agents already said in the first film that they were missing, so it's nothing new. We got the identity of the Kaiser; that much is true, but there's nothing here about the 8 kids' "memories" being affected by something.

If you missed the Lady agents "evil smile" in the last episode; don't worry, she does it like 3 times in this one. :lol:


"Homeostasis". I laughed when I saw that name.


The Entire "virus" thing is...


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...sourced to Meicoomon, obviously, but the explanation for how this "virus" up-ends everything is that it's somehow switching the base language that all devices use from binary to a trinary code.

Just to say; a Reboot wouldn't fix that. I can create circuits in Logism right now, where the inputs have three states. Resetting said circuit wouldn't "suddenly" make it binary. You'd have to rebuild it; the inputs at the very least.

Looks like what we needed was a Rebuild of Digimon. -o-;


And saying the "Digital world doesn't operate that way" is a bit unfair Izzy; they built Ternary computers in the old Soviet Union. Why don't they count? :biii:

BTW, you can see Trinary code in the evolution animation for the Digimon. I thought this was a neat in-reference to imply how they're infected, but it turns out that it's been there since the second episode of Tri: Reunion, from before they came into contact with Meicoomon.



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So I guess... not a reference?
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Yup, my childhood, you've killed it. :pwnd:

Obi-wan "eyeing" Princess Leia would have been no better than this.
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Postby Ray » Mon Mar 06, 2017 11:30 pm

WHAT. THE. FACK!? :cringe:

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Postby Alaska Slim » Mon Mar 06, 2017 11:56 pm

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That's Gennai doing the licking btw. He's gone mad.


That's not all, the "dou" focus this episode is split bewteen Sora, and Himekawa, the lady agent.

Both of their stories revolve around "love", but whereas Sora's manages to come around from being twisted to good, Himekawa went from good to twisted.

Like, Yandere twisted. Like bronies staring at a MLP figurine.

Oh, and Himekawa ...

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is one of the five original digidestined. Same to the teacher. We finally see what happened to them. Their partners are the Digital-world guardians, the sovereigns of Digimon Tamers fame... except for Himekawa's. Hers was the fifth man out.


... she hasn't quite reached Oikawa's level of madness, but she's getting there.
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Postby Mr. Tines » Sat Apr 08, 2017 11:01 am

A thread on /a/ (no. 155598894) about this interview with Hosoda covering, amongst other things, Digimon S1 episode 21
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Interviewer: Let's move on from the movie and talk about Episode 21 of Digimon S1, which Hosoda san you personally directed (The episode where Tai came back to Earth.) The TV episode's setting and stuff is subtlely different from the OVA.

Hosoda: They are quite different (laugh). If we go further, episode 21 and the rest of the series are completely different. Also, the fairies wheel you saw in the windows was a mirage (laugh). To be frank, the wheel was put there to create an emotionally oppressive scene. But somehow the latter episodes continue to use it, and that's how everything turned out. But really, it's really strange to have a fairies wheels over there. So the 2nd season was based on the modified TV version settings. But......Episode 21 was actually Taichi's dream(laugh) or rather, it's an episode where from outside he peaks into a daydream....something like that. You can also see the love story between the sibling, that crosses the line of normal sibling's and into a subplot of sexual lust.


and I thought to myself, if this is on the level, it's amazing quite how much he manages to get away with.

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Postby Alaska Slim » Mon Apr 17, 2017 12:49 am

View Original PostMr. Tines wrote:A thread on /a/ (no. 155598894) about this interview with Hosoda covering, amongst other things, Digimon S1 episode 21
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and I thought to myself, if this is on the level, it's amazing quite how much he manages to get away with.

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After rewatching S1 and most of S2, it becomes pretty apparent that there is a thread of dysfunction in their relationship (going both ways).

Tai feels a possessive guilt for nearly getting Kari killed as a toddler, and thus his "reason" dissipates whenever she's in danger. Kari meanwhile feels a pathological need to rely on him in order to navigate challenges that overwhelm her (something that T.K. called her on).

Still, while Kari did comes across as "errie" in this episode to me even when I was 10 y/o & was left waiting for a reveal that never came (she's possessed by the spirit of DARK HEA-- I measn MYOTISMON!!! BWAHAA)... I still didn't suspect something to this extent. Because incest just sounds stupid.

It's only in hindsight that I even see the parallel of Kari leaning into his back as "scorned lover"; I hadn't watched enough anime to recognize the pose, and even when I watched it later, context still made me register it as just her being scared of him leaving for good. An extension of Kari's status as the group's "digital whisperer/mystic" that allowed her to sense things she wasn't there to see.


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But yeah, that entire episode feels like a day in the summer of 1999, trapped in time. The atmosphere is worth the view; whatever the other weirdness.
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Postby Gus Hanson » Mon Jun 19, 2017 6:08 pm

Episode 08 of Digimon Adventure tri. Ketsui in the bag!

SO glad Joe finally got over his cowardice since he was reeling in it for the past few episodes. And don't think I didn't notice that faint smile in part of Himekawa when Meicoomon got infected and attacked Leomon. It's always the cold as stone types that have ulterior motives, eh? :shifty: I know this is going to get some "WHAAAA???!!" reactions but I really became attracted to Rosemon and her bouncing breasts since they first graced my eyesight. :bigeyes:
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View Original PostGus Hanson wrote:Episode 08 of Digimon Adventure tri. Ketsui in the bag!

SO glad Joe finally got over his cowardice since he was reeling in it for the past few episodes. And don't think I didn't notice that faint smile in part of Himekawa when Meicoomon got infected and attacked Leomon. It's always the cold as stone types that have ulterior motives, eh? :shifty:

Even if the viewer missed it that time, she does it like 3 times over in the next block of episodes. The writers really want you to have no illusions that she's... well, nuts.

It's only in the most recent block that we find out what kind of nut she is. Had Oikawa not started off his plans by kidnapping children, I'd daresay this women makes that man look balanced.
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Postby Ray » Mon Jun 26, 2017 6:35 pm

On this day 20 years ago, the first V-Pets were released, spawning a franchise that would span 8 anime series, countless video games and make the childhood of many of us. Happy 20th anniversary, Digimon!
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Postby El Squibbonator » Mon Jun 26, 2017 10:34 pm

Wonder why they aren't going all-out to celebrate it the way Pokemon did.
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Postby DarkBluePhoenix » Tue Jun 27, 2017 5:26 pm

El Squibbonator wrote:Wonder why they aren't going all-out to celebrate it the way Pokemon did.

Most people (incorrectly) view Digimon as a cheap ripoff of Pokemon, which of course is incorrect as the premises are entirely different, even if they involve the "kids make friends and use monsters to fight evil" thing.

One takes place in the "Pokemon World" where animals are Pokemon. Digimon takes place in a parallel Earth where monster inhabit the digital world of the internet. Other differences people ignore are while Pokemon strives for someone to have a large amount of Pokemon, win badges, and become a "Pokemon Master" Digimon deals with a single (or in rare cases two) digimon being paired with a tamer.

It also happens to be the same 20th Anniversary for Harry Potter, which in terms of fervent fans, outranks Digimon in the West.
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Postby Alaska Slim » Thu Jun 29, 2017 6:35 am

View Original PostDarkBluePhoenix wrote:It also happens to be the same 20th Anniversary for Harry Potter, which in terms of fervent fans, outranks Digimon in the West.


Which is complete nonsense, at least Digimon didn't screw up writing Romance.

Sora fell for Matt, all according to plan, with no one questioning this arrangement. Ever. Except for a rogue movie director who wasn't aware of said-plan.
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Postby DarkBluePhoenix » Thu Jun 29, 2017 6:39 pm

Alaska Slim wrote:Which is complete nonsense, at least Digimon didn't screw up writing Romance.

Sora fell for Matt, all according to plan, with no one questioning this arrangement. Ever. Except for a rogue movie director who wasn't aware of said-plan.

Clearly, Tai and Sora have that best buddies thing going on, kind of like how Ron and Hermione should have been...

JKR fucked up the pairings good in the final few books. I think she took a "throw shit at the wall and see what sticks" approach to them tbh. Harry and Ginny being together is worse than Dobby dying for Christ's sake. Shame she didn't correct (or realize) the mistake before the fucking book went to print.

And to be fair, I love Digimon, but it always gets the short end of the stick. The 90s were not entirely kind to it. Hell, Digimon the Movie is actually two OVAs mashed together into some kind of nonsensical garbage.
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Postby Alaska Slim » Thu Jun 29, 2017 7:00 pm

View Original PostDarkBluePhoenix wrote:Clearly, Tai and Sora have that best buddies thing going on, kind of like how Ron and Hermione should have been...

JKR fucked up the pairings good in the final few books. I think she took a "throw shit at the wall and see what sticks" approach to them tbh. Harry and Ginny being together is worse than Dobby dying for Christ's sake. Shame she didn't correct (or realize) the mistake before the fucking book went to print.

And to be fair, I love Digimon, but it always gets the short end of the stick. The 90s were not entirely kind to it. Hell, Digimon the Movie is actually two OVAs mashed together into some kind of nonsensical garbage.

It was three OVAs-- but I'm kind to the Dub, because that 3rd OVA in Japanese is hella confusing. It goes on for way too long, there's hilariously bad Engrish, and despite also putting 6 of the original Digidestined in a crisis where they're transforming into (smaller) children and transported into a pocket dimension, resolves their problem off screen.

Also, while I appreciate what Hosoda was going for in Our War Game!, "Let's kick it up!" sells the scene for me. All the quiet in the Japanese version is just errie.
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