"Father"

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Postby Maoki » Tue Jul 14, 2009 2:59 am

I was reading the transcript earlier and caught this:

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宇宙船の窓からエヴァの掌に人影。カヲルが座っている。

ゲンドウ ん…?

冬月 人か?まさかな…

ゲンドウ・冬月の会話が聞こえているのか、

カヲル 初めまして、お父さん

Doll in the palm of the Eva from the spacecraft's window. Kaworu is sitting.

Gendou: Huh...?

Fuyutsuki: A person? No way...

Gendou: Did you hear the Fuyutsuki's conversation?

Kaworu: Nice to meet you, father.


Whhaaatt? Please correct my Japanese if you think it's wrong.

This confused me.
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Postby Ornette » Tue Jul 14, 2009 3:02 am

That's what he said. There's been a bit of discussion about that, but the thread is locked, I think.

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Postby Otakon 08 Ikari » Tue Jul 14, 2009 7:37 am

O.o Alright, care to explain?

Kaworu is calling Gendo father, now that's odd. Maybe due to the happenings around SI and the awaking of the Angels cause of what Gendo did at Antarctica?

Or he got busy with Adam, I would not put it passed Gendo.
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Postby Fazmotron » Tue Jul 14, 2009 8:55 am

Some theories include;

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Gendo is the donor from the experiment on Adam in Antactica.

Gendo was raising Kaworu in order to teach him about Shinji and prepare him for his meeting with Shinji and when he would be needed to stop Shinji from initiating 3rd impact.

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Postby Otakon 08 Ikari » Tue Jul 14, 2009 9:19 am

You said Shinji a lot in that sentence and it made me laugh ^_^ but those are possibilities.

I just pictured Gendo and Angel boy at Denny's.

Gendo - Alright, so...My son. I'll have the Grand Slam, thank you. So my son..Could you umm..Stop him from Third Impact and possibly not start one on your own?
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Postby Evafan » Tue Jul 14, 2009 10:43 am

Otakon 08 Ikari wrote:You said Shinji a lot in that sentence and it made me laugh ^_^ but those are possibilities.

I just pictured Gendo and Angel boy at Denny's.

Gendo - Alright, so...My son. I'll have the Grand Slam, thank you. So my son..Could you umm..Stop him from Third Impact and possibly not start one on your own?


I thought it was implied :ting:

But I don't believe the way he called him father was in any sort of physical sense, but more in the spiritual sense like mentioned above.

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Postby Gendo'sPapa » Tue Jul 14, 2009 10:59 am

I'd say he's got Adam in his hand (this is Rebuild not NGE so the Angel could go through a sex change, not like they have actual sexes mind you, it's all a fan thing. The whole Mother & Father issue is all metaphysical or something) and Kaworu just senses it. Sometimes I feel we as the fans over analyze everything to such a degree in these films we make everything simple complex.

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Postby Axell » Tue Jul 14, 2009 11:01 am

yea perhaps annos being a bit more leniant with angel genders. or maybe he just realized adam was a boy's name

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Postby master_lloyd » Tue Jul 14, 2009 12:33 pm

What, no more "Adam our Mother,"?
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Postby Sailor Star Dust » Tue Jul 14, 2009 1:37 pm

I love how people are forgetting the most obvious explanation. >_>

Kaworu calling Gendo "father" is a reference to the fact Gendo's Shinji's father. Japanese speakers refer to people this way a lot, it's nothing unusual in that sense.

Though for all we know, this could still be a reference to either Gendo having Adam, or even creating Kaworu similar to Rei (not necessarily being the donor for Kaworu).

But honestly, if Gendo created Kaworu or was even the donor, why would Kaworu say "nice to meet you"?

Fixed transcript:

宇宙船の窓からエヴァの掌に人影。カヲルが座っている。

ゲンドウ ん…?

冬月 人か?まさかな…

ゲンドウ・冬月の会話が聞こえているのか

カヲル 初めまして、お父さん

From the spaceship's window, a figure is in the palm of the Eva. Kaworu's sitting.

Gendo: Hm...?

Fuyutsuki: A person? It can't be...

Gendo: Did you hear Fuyutsuki just now?

Kaworu: It's nice to meet you, father.
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Postby AuraTwilight » Tue Jul 14, 2009 1:45 pm

Remember when I said Kaworu was a clone of Gendo?

Yea, I totally called it. Fuck all of you. <3

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Postby Jinroh » Tue Jul 14, 2009 1:48 pm

Gendo'sPapa wrote:I'd say he's got Adam in his hand [color=red](this is Rebuild not NGE[/color]

Exactly, it's rebuild, not Evangelion. Why would Gendo have Adam in his hand? We didn't hear anything about Adam yet.

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Postby Axell » Tue Jul 14, 2009 1:51 pm

thats why its called speculation....

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Postby eva0313777 » Tue Jul 14, 2009 2:16 pm

AuraTwilight wrote:Remember when I said Kaworu was a clone of Gendo?

Yea, I totally called it. Fuck all of you. <3


if thats happens i'm killing myself cause i don't see how that's possible.Misato should research gendo in the next movie and if it says he has no son,Shinji could be his clone lol

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Postby caiogarcia » Tue Jul 14, 2009 3:24 pm

Father? Why father? on Evangelion 1.0 Kaworu said another confused phrase (Well, in the portuguese translation was confused), and make the film seem to be a continuation of the anime.
Well, to know and Kaworu mean with "father" we must wait for the filme came out on western cinema. ^_^

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Postby Reichu » Tue Jul 14, 2009 4:04 pm

Is Anno trolling me?

Axell wrote:or maybe he just realized adam was a boy's name

Oh, he knows. The Proposal calls Adam a "he". Either Anno decided to engage in a rather rare subversion after that (don't get females named Adam too often), or moms can be male in Japanese (can dads be female, too?).
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Postby THE Hal E. Burton 9000 » Tue Jul 14, 2009 5:45 pm

Reichu wrote:Is Anno trolling me?
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Postby master_lloyd » Wed Jul 15, 2009 5:47 am

According to second-hand knowledge bank Wikipedia, Kaworu's line is "How do you do, Father?"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evangelion_2.0
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-Nagisa Kaworu kills a kitten every time you masturbate.
-Kaji's first and last name was Kaji

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Postby Otakon 08 Ikari » Wed Jul 15, 2009 10:15 am

In Soviet Rebuild, Shinji Angel and Kaworu son!
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Postby Reichu » Wed Jul 15, 2009 11:32 am

AuraTwilight wrote:Remember when I said Kaworu was a clone of Gendo?

I still have the shoop I made to make fun of the idea when it was suggested at AnimeNation five-hundred years ago, way before your time.
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