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Postby FreakyFilmFan4ever » Tue Mar 15, 2016 9:17 am

View Original Postzlink64 wrote:How fluent is Watanabe in english anyway. Just curious.

He was at Animazement last year. When I got my frame of cel animation from Cowboy Bebop: The Movie signed by him, he saw the frame, looked at me, and in very rough English said "This rare!" His interpreter only repeated what he said at that point. ("He said 'This is rare.'")

He's also one of the few men I know who can disguise his face simply by not wearing his sunglasses. In every photo, video, or public appearance of him I've seen, I've always seen him wearing sunglasses. Later that same afternoon I shared an elevator with him in the hotel, but didn't even realize it was him until after I had exited simply because I couldn't recognize him in his normal spectacles. (If I had know, I would have said "See you in space, cowboy," or something else completely nerdy and fan-boy-ish, but still attempting to be cool and shit, as I left the elevator.)
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Postby Ray » Tue Oct 18, 2016 1:50 pm

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Postby Gus Hanson » Tue Oct 18, 2016 7:57 pm

I watched episode 10 today with my mom. She noted that when some scenes come into play, the music gets all spectacular in it's own moody way. Nice to hear that. Faye was a pain as always, not sympathizing with Jet's ex-gf situation but they more than made up for that with her sunbathing fanservice. Ed being her typical oddball self was cute at times but in the first scene with the bounty head, my mom got the show confused for some cannibal gorehouse show so I had to calm her by saying it's not that way. :tongue:
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Postby Director Black » Fri Oct 21, 2016 8:48 pm

View Original PostGus Hanson wrote:Faye was a pain as always, not sympathizing with Jet's ex-gf situation but they more than made up for that with her sunbathing fanservice.


Wait till you get around to Episode 15.
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Postby Falcon_of_the_Sun » Tue Dec 27, 2016 4:44 pm

I've rewatched Cowboy Bebop recently, I had wonderful memories from having seen it some 15 years ago.

I was a bit disappointed. Although I disagree that the "filler" episodes (I've counted 10) do not contribute to character development, I think they were at times a bit disconnected form the rest or, anyway, subpar in some aspects. Some required quite a lot of suspension of disbelief in their action scenes (Pierrot le Fou overall) that seemed at odds with the commendable realism of some other episodes and of the series in general.

For instance, I think Eva had a much better approach in ensuring the main story arc carried on, at least minimally, even on episodes that could be classified as "fillers".

Of the remaining 16 episodes, 4 are used for character introductions (including Ein, ehrm) and the rest are actual stories of the characters.

I personally liked Faye's best and I wish it had more episodes. Spike's arc is a bit too vague regarding the past, a lot seems to have happened
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(Julia was with both him and Vicious, but it goes rather unexplained how exactly, and I think it should carry significant weight in present day narration)
. Jet's was a bit directionless.

All in all I still loved the designed, the general setting, the mix between elements of sci-fi (spaceships, high-tech, cryogenics, prosthetics etc) and comparatevely retro technology (firearms are still present), but I remembered the series to be a bit more "adult", some of the bravado and action scenes felt a bit cringeworthy.

Not a 10/10 anymore for me.

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Postby Joy Evangelion » Tue Dec 27, 2016 6:58 pm

^What I think is kind of cool about Bebop, is that when I was 12 and 13 and watching it for the first time on Adult Swim I could watch any of its 26 episodes and get a lot out of it, even if I hadn't seen the episodes before it. If I'm remembering this right, the night I really fell for the series was when they played four of the "better"(as they saw it) episodes back to back, and even though I knew nothing about the overall story I still had a great time watching. The characters are so well designed that you pretty much get their deal the second you look at them, and the cast is just so likable, to me at least. NGE is the greatest thing ever, of course, but if I just happened to watch, say, Episode 16, I'd be like, "what the hell is going on in this thing?" And Bebop doesn't have any compilation episodes!

View Original PostFalcon_of_the_Sun wrote:I personally liked Faye's best and I wish it had more episodes. Spike's arc is a bit too vague regarding the past, a lot seems to have happened
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(Julia was with both him and Vicious, but it goes rather unexplained how exactly, and I think it should carry significant weight in present day narration)
. Jet's was a bit directionless.


Faye's was my favorite as well(my favorite ep is "Speak Like a Child"), though my favorite character is Ed. Spike I think they meant to keep vague; the gist is that Vicious was with Julia, Spike met her and fell in love with her at first site, later she took care of him when he got hurt in a fight and then went with him behind Vicious' back, they planned to run away together, Vicious found out and everything went south. Jet's I liked less than the other two, but "Black Dog Serenade" is fucking awesome, on so many levels.


Falcon_of_the_Sun wrote: (I've counted 10)


I'm going to take a shot at this; the one with the evil kid/heavy metal trucker woman/waltz for venus/toys in the attic/mushroom samba/wild horses/mad pierrot/brain scratch/teddy bomber/the old chess player. The first nine came off the top of my head. Forgot about that damn chess player.
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Postby Falcon_of_the_Sun » Wed Dec 28, 2016 4:52 am

I think that Spike's arc is nearly underdeveloped. The existential side of it (the story about the cat, the fact that he wants to find out whether he's still "alive" or not) is very interesting but really comes out only in the last episode. Granted, Julia
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dies only in the 25th
, but surely many of those issues must have been with Spike from before.
Faye's issues with trusting others and such are painted better and from much earlier on, in contrast.

Still a great, great anime and possibly the one that most successfully breaks away from so many anime cliches and the indebtedness to Japanese culture.

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Postby FreakyFilmFan4ever » Thu Jan 05, 2017 6:57 am

Wait, Cowboy Bebop has filler episodes?

Unlike other TV shows like Eva or Breaking Bad, Cowboy Bebop is an extremely episodic series, mostly made up of episodes that can stand alone on themselves without any prior knowledge of the characters' backstory being needed to carry enjoy each new episode. Each character is generally set up and re-set up as to what type of character each person is on the first 5 or so minutes of every episode so that late-comers to the show don't feel confused or disoriented starting somewhere in the middle of the show.

How do you determine what's a "filler episode" and what isn't with that kind of narrative structure?

I would argue that, if you're seeing filler episodes in CB, then you're probably not looking at the show in the same way TV audiences and filmmakers related to the medium back in the day before TiVo and Netflix Streaming became common place.
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Postby Director Black » Fri Jan 06, 2017 9:12 pm

View Original PostFreakyFilmFan4ever wrote:Wait, Cowboy Bebop has filler episodes?

How do you determine what's a "filler episode" and what isn't with that kind of narrative structure?


It's less filler and more taking a break (From either the bounty plot or the character development). Most people'll probably bring up episode like Toys in the Attic or Mushroom Samba, but even that's pretty damn good.

It's also probably a case of not liking a certain episode and feeling like it's a waste of time. If that's the case, then it just adds to why Cowboy Bebop is loved. 26 episodes; almost all in different styles that same may like and some may not.
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Postby zlink64 » Sat Jan 14, 2017 8:35 am

View Original PostFalcon_of_the_Sun wrote:I think that Spike's arc is nearly underdeveloped. The existential side of it (the story about the cat, the fact that he wants to find out whether he's still "alive" or not) is very interesting but really comes out only in the last episode. Granted, Julia
SPOILER: Show
dies only in the 25th
, but surely many of those issues must have been with Spike from before.
Faye's issues with trusting others and such are painted better and from much earlier on, in contrast.

Still a great, great anime and possibly the one that most successfully breaks away from so many anime cliches and the indebtedness to Japanese culture.


They actually spend a lot of time on Spikes character arch it just super Subtle most of the time and since the episodes seem random on the surface it's easy to miss even when it's not super subtle.

One example of spikes character development being explored before the very end(25-26):

Episode six is about a Badguy who is stuck in his child body and is immortal because of a meteor radiation sci fi reason(probably metaphor for a guy stuck in the past). Here are is his final lines before he dies:

Bad guy: "I see. Yes I can finally die at last. I feel so Heavy. But I feel I finally feel at ease. Do you understand?"

Heavy here is a reference to "Gonna carry that weight."

Spike: Yeah I understand, as if. (in other words no)

Then spike makes his hand into a gun and shoots into the sky and says Bang. Matching the finale episode

Worth mentioning is that episode six follows episode five which is the first Spike vs Vicious fight so this scene being placed in the very next episode is most likely not a coincidence.

Anyway point is by the final episode Spike does understand the bad guy from episode 6 so stuff happened between ep 6 and ep 25-26 to make Spike learn that lesson. It's just not blatant because like in episode six they explore these things in random unrelated stories.

Anyway just sharing cause I feel like people don't give the show enough credit when it comes to this stuff, specifically Spike and probably Jet too.
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Postby Gus Hanson » Thu Jan 19, 2017 12:53 pm

Saw episode 11 "Toys in the Attic" last night.

The evident homage to Alien make it the best episode I have seen of this series so far, plus the fan service scene of Faye in the bubble bath. :wink: Although Ed gobbling down on old refrigerator "pudding" without having any idea where it's been is DEESGUSTING! :cringe:
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Postby zlink64 » Sat Jan 21, 2017 4:12 am

Apperantly music from bebop by Yoko Kanno is possibly plagiarized.

https://www.reddit.com/r/cowboybebop/co ... _thoughts/

They have links so you can listen and compare.
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Postby esselfortium » Sat Jan 21, 2017 8:56 am

Yes, a lot of her music is plagiarized. It sucks, but its also old news at this point and I'm used to it. I can still appreciate and enjoy the music even though I don't have nearly as much respect for her as an artist as I did when I first heard her work.

The DJ Food comparison at the linked page is a questionable case because DJ Food actually contributed a remix to one of the Bebop OSTs.

In comparison posts and videos online, the numerous very clear cases of Yoko Kanno's plagiarism are often diluted with flimsier comparisons involving songs that just have some similar basic basic chord progressions or borrowed similar elements that are used as pieces of very different songs, but there are enough of the former that the latter aren't really an excuse here.

The track being compared with The Real Folk Blues at your link was undoubtedly the direct inspiration for it, but melodically it's a different enough piece that uses some similar instrumentation. It's not unusual for soundtracks to begin with the director having already selected "temp tracks" to suggest the type of mood they want for each scene, and so sometimes these can lead to this kind of similarity in the finished result.

With that said, Yoko Kanno has taken songs in their entirety in numerous cases. "Want It All Back" as a nearly note for note replica of "Zodiac Sign" by Imperial Drag is one of the most clear-cut examples. "Bad Dog No Biscuits" as a variant of Tom Waits' "Midtown" is another. "Trip City" from GitS:SAC is a mashup of two Spiritualized songs.

Plagiarism also seems to be endemic in Japanese music in general, though the complete extent of it is hard to say. the pillows' "One Life" (as heard in FLCL) is very heavily based on Oasis' "Don't Look Back In Anger", and Rui Nagai's Big O theme is a complete replica of Queen's Flash Gordon theme, to give two examples from well-known works.

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Postby BobBQ » Sat Jan 21, 2017 3:22 pm

There's also the Metal Gear Solid theme and Sviridov's Winter Road.

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Postby zlink64 » Sat Jan 28, 2017 11:35 am

Jet quotes Goethe in episode 3. Jet: "Only hands can wash hands" This is the poem I'm pretty sure. Any German speakers know how accurate this google translation of the poem is. Like if you think you have a better translation I'm all ears. I'm pretty sure google got the gist of the poem but I wanna just make sure. Ty in advance if you can help, if not no worries.

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Postby Magneto » Sat May 20, 2017 10:39 am

For a few months I've watched Cowboy Bepop and from all episodes I always found this somewhat sinister, let's see:

In general this anime follows a regular line, mixing moments of action with humor and other things without taking very seriously, comparing with NGE for example it does not have as much depth, but throughout the episodes we have several different stories, some show the past Of the protagonists, others are just like trips that teach lessons without connections with the main plot, and there we have the episode 20, this small rarity lost and dense almost bordering a horror film, in him we have as a highlight a ridiculously obese figure with a stored arsenal In his jacket and shooting at anything that moves, has paranormal powers that range from levitation to defensive fields that repel enemy attacks, a psychopathic way, but as weakness this individual has a childlike mentality and fear of cats for his traumatic experience Did I miss something?

It's really something to ponder, yeah, Cowboy Bebop is quite exotic throughout the series, from the first episode with western moments in the biggest bang-bang style, science fiction that involves mutation of humans in monkeys, even feng- Shui, but never something like that, something like we see in episode 20, we had episodes like 11 and 16 that are a bit distressing, but nothing compared to this, understanding this episode is not difficult, but why exactly? , Does this episode have any meaning beyond what I've seen? Because things seem so out of order, even for Cowboy Bebop when we talk about Pierrot le Fou.

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Postby Magneto » Sun May 21, 2017 8:31 am

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Hm? , I do not understand how this message appeared here, I will wait for moderation to exclude it.

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Postby Reichu » Sun May 21, 2017 9:12 am

Your post was merged into the preexisting Cowboy Bebop thread.
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