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Postby robersora » Thu Oct 30, 2014 10:36 am

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It's existence doesn't bother me a lot, but this craze goes on for more than 10 years now. I just think that one superhero movie per year would be enough, since so many of them eat revenues of all the other films in cinema. (there is only that much of the pie). And I feel like we get less and less high-budget non-superhero or comic movies lately.
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Postby Shinoyami65 » Thu Oct 30, 2014 12:25 pm

I would do something to ensure that great sci-fi franchises such as Alien, Terminator and Predator did not lose their quality over time and instead maintained a consistently high level of quality. Or I would make it so that each franchise ended at the third or second installment, thereby ridding the universe of such monstrosities as Alien Resurrection and Alien vs. Predator.
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Postby Ray » Thu Oct 30, 2014 12:29 pm

One: Alien Ressurection takes place centuries after the first three films so we can ignore it.

Two: what do you think would have to happen for an Alien Vs Predator movie to have been good?
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Postby Mr. Tines » Thu Oct 30, 2014 12:56 pm

View Original Postpwhodges wrote:In my ideal world the second part of Ralph Bakshi's cartoon version of The Lord of the Rings would have been made.
Having seen the first part, I don't think it would have been a loss to the world of film if that project hadn't produced anything at all.

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Postby movieartman » Thu Oct 30, 2014 1:19 pm

View Original PostRay wrote:what do you think would have to happen for an Alien Vs Predator movie to have been good?

1.) directly adapting the avp comics/novels Particularly Prey with the awesome Machiko Noguchi character
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and not just pulling details from it and half assing them like the first avp film did
2.) stan winstn studios for the effects and not making them buff clean like the first film had them, have them be there traditional girtty lean look
3.) better actors, this would have been late 90s early 00s so i would have cast Ayako Fujitani (90s gamera trilogy) as machiko, of course that would be a hard sell in hollywood, but it would work on screen.
4.) good character writing and dialogue taken directly from the book
5.) r rating
6.) Good serious director
7.) serious tone all the way thru 100% cept mabye some brief fun character beats

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Postby Ray » Thu Oct 30, 2014 2:07 pm

Ha! Like Hollywood would produce a Big Budget R Rated action Sci Fi movie with an Asian Actor. They actively go out of their way to screw Asian and Asian American Actors over.
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Postby pwhodges » Thu Oct 30, 2014 2:57 pm

View Original PostMr. Tines wrote:Having seen the first part, I don't think it would have been a loss to the world of film if that project hadn't produced anything at all.

I expected a response of that sort. I rate it higher than that :tongue:
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Postby Guy Nacks » Thu Oct 30, 2014 9:05 pm

I guess the Rankin/Bass ROTK is the best you're gonna get on that front.
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Postby Shinoyami65 » Fri Oct 31, 2014 7:08 am

View Original PostRay wrote:Ha! Like Hollywood would produce a Big Budget R Rated action Sci Fi movie with an Asian Actor. They actively go out of their way to screw Asian and Asian American Actors over.


Yeah, one of the biggest nerfs is the difficulty with making a solid R rated film these days. Films these days have plenty of explosions but you'll never ever see anything that comes close to watching Kane get face-raped by an alien parasite or the subsequent monstrosity bursting from his chest. The most you can hope for these days is stock gore with lots of blood but little horror. Even Ridley Scott's Prometheus only has one scene (the C-section scene) that seems worthy of an actual R-rating, and it felt more like they tacked the rating on to make fans nostalgic rather than going out of their way to earn it. These days films are more focused on making money and much of the subtle horror and depth that propelled the original Alien has long since fallen out the airlock and burnt to death in the jet thrusters.
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Postby ElMariachi » Fri Oct 31, 2014 8:17 am

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The only place where you can find gore in current movies is in torture porns, and that's played for bile fascination, not horror.
The only recent horror movie that I can think of that comes close to it is the remake of The Thing.
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Postby Guy Nacks » Sat Nov 01, 2014 12:11 am

I wish Richard Harris had lived to film all the Harry Potter movies.

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-Robin Williams making his intended guest star appearance in the Star Trek: TNG episode "A Matter of Time" instead of having to cancel it because of production delays on Hook.

-David Fincher's adaptations of Rendezvous with Rama and 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea.

-David Lynch & Mark Frost's One Saliva Bubble.
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Postby FrDougal9000 » Wed May 24, 2017 5:54 pm

Gonna bump this thread with a few ideas, if that's alright.

-Ralph Bakshi being made able to adapt one Lord of the Rings book per film instead of doing the first two in one film and the third in a cancelled sequel. Seriously, I'm quite fond of Bakshi's version (especially its really good cast, lovely background art and endearing character designs*), but the film really became a barely coherent mess when it had to cover The Two Towers in the last half hour. *Sam's design aside, of course

-Satoshi Kon doesn't die, so he can finish and release The Dreaming Machine, and continue living in general (as well as maybe making another film or two down the line).

-Edgar Wright being allowed to do whatever he wanted when making Ant-Man, so we could have at least ONE stylistically interesting Marvel film.

-Richard Williams being allowed to finish The Thief and the Cobbler as he originally intended, instead of having it taken off of him and turned into Disney-lite guff.

-Wolfgang Reitherman being booted off the director's seat for The Rescuers. That film had the potential to be very good (it was certainly the studio's most ambitious film in the 70's), but I suspect Reitherman's desire for comedy and silly characters (especially in Robin Hood) contributed heavily to the film's massive tone problem, and resulted in it being such a middling movie.

-Joss Whedon decides to not direct films. He would be content writing scripts, but he'd hand directing duties over to someone who knew what they were doing.

-Hayao Miyazaki doesn't interfere with the artwork of his animators, and allows each of their styles to shine as bright as they can in his movies, instead of redrawing them all to suit his look and make everything look so damn homogenous.

-Someone somewhere decides to pick up the rights to Hideaki Anno's live-action films and release them in the West, making sure they are readily available on DVD, streaming sites and the like.

-Labyrinth does well at the cinema and gets the rave reviews I feel it deserves, simply so that Jim Henson would be happy he worked on the film. I don't want sequels or anything like that; I'd just like the man to have some peace of mind.
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Postby Gendo'sPapa » Wed May 24, 2017 9:49 pm

Star Wars would end at one film.
That's it.
One. Star Wars. Movie.

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Postby Sachi » Wed May 24, 2017 10:26 pm

View Original PostGendo'sPapa wrote:Star Wars would end at one film.
That's it.
One. Star Wars. Movie.

Are you trying to get banned? I don't consider myself above such things. :emogendo: jk i'm super above them

As for my input:

I wish Disney had more faith in Tron, and continued with the plans after Legacy. Instead, I hear they're now rebooting it entirely. For shame, Disney. For shame.

Within a similar vein: Guillermo Del Toro's Hellboy 3. The second one was mediocre, but I still highly enjoyed the characters created and the overall look of this version of Hellboy. I wish we could have gotten that third movie. I'm hesitant about the reboot.

And for something a little more controversial: I dislike this garbage controversy with the Marvel rights being split between multiple companies. I'd love to see these characters together on screen without some behind the scenes bullshit going on about who owns which character. This latest drama with the MCU Spiderman movie and the recently announced Venom movie highlights this absurdity which is going to negatively affect the quality of the content produced for these characters in the future.
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Postby Chuckman » Wed May 24, 2017 10:36 pm

Oddly if that hadn't happened there'd be no Marvel movies st all and possibly no Marvel. The company was panic selling rights when they were on the edge of bankruptcy. Oddly enough, the huge success of comic book movies and the "-cu" thing started with the properties that were so obscure or whatever that no one wanted them. More people knew Iron Man as a Black Sabbath song than a superhero not long ago.

All this (and, actually, the DCCU) goes back to Marvel and DC trying to monopolize the comics industry thirty years ago by jointly building a vertical monopoly via adopting Diamond as their sole distributors and forcing out competitors, which is also why comics became a niche product sold mainly in specialty stores and the spinning wire racks in supermarkets and drugstores disappeared.

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Postby Gendo'sPapa » Wed May 24, 2017 10:47 pm

Lol at the ban joke. I'd be so bummed if that happened so hopefully not.

Actually, now that you mention Del Toro I'll add one more change: The script & vision was not at all truthful to real H.P. Lovecraft - it's not the tentacles that make his work chilling - but I would have loved to see Guillermo Del Toro's completely bonkers & pulpy $175 million R-rated At the Mountains of Madness adaptation where Tom Cruise & (probably) Ron Perlman fight off killer man-eating albino penguin shoggoths with AK-47s.

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Postby Reichu » Wed May 24, 2017 11:25 pm

I would have loved to see his take on The Hobbit, as well. Not as much as AtMoM and Hellboy 3, but it still would have been a fascinating romp and I hate that we got Petey's try-hard LotR rehash instead.

Also in a perfect world, American studios would have long since embraced animation as a medium for all ages and all story types, not to mention never abandoned hand-drawn to pursue derivative CGI celebrity-voiced animal shit.
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Postby silvermoonlight » Thu May 25, 2017 4:25 am

View Original Postmovieartman wrote:1.) directly adapting the avp comics/novels Particularly Prey with the awesome Machiko Noguchi character
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and not just pulling details from it and half assing them like the first avp film did


I have wanted them to make Prey live action for years because the premise of both the graphic novel and the book are just so excellent the problem with the first AVP movie is it softens its source material and plays it off as corny. Where as in Prey its really serious and R rated and pulls no punches and has us questioning ethics, honour and other issues and it gets the enemy of my enemy is my friend theme ten times better. Anyone who is likes alien vs predator should read both the graphic novel and the book as they are excellent.

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Postby FreakyFilmFan4ever » Thu May 25, 2017 5:53 am

I wish nickelodeons didn't burn down so easily. I'm sure that would have been a welcomed change.

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Postby Falcon_of_the_Sun » Thu May 25, 2017 1:22 pm

1 - A Bobby Fischer biopic with Christopher Ecclestone as Bobby Fischer

2 - Charlize Theron as we knew her in Aeon Flux to be the Major in the Ghost in the Shell movie adaptation, assuming it had to happen

3 - People to understand that the Matrix is the bastard and overrated son of Ghost in the Shell and Dark City

4 - An additional motion picture content rating system warning you if a movie is unsuitable for anyone with an IQ of 120 or more on the Stanford-Binet test

View Original PostReichu wrote:Also in a perfect world, American studios would have long since embraced animation as a medium for all ages and all story types, not to mention never abandoned hand-drawn to pursue derivative CGI celebrity-voiced animal shit.


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