Your Favorite Yoni

[tomrule123]

Holy Shit! I didn't even see that(especially Vulva Palms)!!
All these 'sexual' reference... Are these intentional(any reference from the show's writers)? Or are people in these forums making it up / have their own interpretation for all these scenes... just to make an interesting forum topic (referring also to 'Your Favourite Phallus)???

No, I believe they're intentional. Hideaki Anno must've went crazy with adult references ever since this film became theatrical. Plus, I believe he wanted to make fanboys go crazy with their... well, you definitely get the point. Without all of this, we wouldn't pinpoint on these references... otherwise, the film would be a bit more dull.

[FreakyFilmFan4ever]

That's more "reproduction metaphor" than "yoni" (or, more loosely, "female genital metaphor"). [EDIT: OHHHHHH, the first screenshot. Nevermind!] But, incidentally, I hadn't noticed that one. Thank you!

Yeah, tat first shot is the only one pure ..."yoni"? (Never heard that term before...) The following shots just elaborate more on it. To be honest, I probably wouldn't have noticed the first shot as quickly is the rest of it wasn't present as well.

Also, I agree with Xard and NemZ. I don't think the scaffolding = vagina, though I did see where Reichu was pulling from when she first posted it.

@ REICHU'S LATEST PHOTO: The core almost always stood for vaginas, even in NGE. Other times it stood for the heart to some degree. (At least that's what I saw, what with it's placement and vitality to the organism carrying it.) Interesting how Anno used the same object to symbolize both the heart and female sexual organs. I wonder if they're linked, not just within terms of survival but also the heart as the seat for the emotions and how it's liked to female sexuality....

[pen-pen]

Phew...! I think I need a drink.....

[Reichu]

Yeah, tat first shot is the only one pure ..."yoni"? (Never heard that term before...)

Yoni is a symbolic representation of the external female genitals. (Since "phallus" doesn't have a linguistic counterpart that I'm aware of, we have to co-opt "lingam"'s partner.)

I don't think the scaffolding = vagina, though I did see where Reichu was pulling from when she first posted it.

Azathoth posted the scaffolding. I marked it up after attempting to see whatever Azathoth saw. TBH, I wouldn't be surprised if it was another subliminal women, but who really knows.

The core almost always stood for vaginas, even in NGE.

Wait, I'm confused. I was talking about how the core is standing in for a clitoris there. Sahaquiel's "vagina" would be the slit at the center of the chest-vulva.



Though, yesh, in NGE the core is totally yoni-rific. It acts as a womb of sorts for Shinji in #20, as well. (And I still think it looks like a gigantic clit here.)

I don't have any thoughts on the "heart" association at the moment, except that, if this is the intent in NGE, they seem to be dismantling it in NME. (See e.g. here, where Eva-01's heart is given big glowy emphasis and seems to be the target of Rei's head.)

[FreakyFilmFan4ever]

Yoni is a symbolic representation of the external female genitals. (Since "phallus" doesn't have a linguistic counterpart that I'm aware of, we have to co-opt "lingam"'s partner.)

Azathoth posted the scaffolding. I marked it up after attempting to see whatever Azathoth saw. TBH, I wouldn't be surprised

Ah.

I don't have any thoughts on the "heart" association at the moment, except that, if this is the intent in NGE, they seem to be dismantling it in NME. (See e.g. here, where Eva-01's heart is given big glowy emphasis and seems to be the target of Rei's head.)

NME seems to be changing a lot, as I'm noticing as I'm currently writing my ginormous essay on 2.22. (10,000+ words according to Office!) I think my theory holds in most of NGE's continuity, though. But I agree that NME doesn't seem to hold to it.

If you think of it, ep 10 is full of it - Asuka enters into a warm, enclosed place through a vagina-like slit...
She also has to wear clothes that make her look huge (= pregnant?)
I always saw ep 10 as relatively silly, but there might actually be some symbolism refering to Asuka's mommy issues/ fear of being like her mommy. She's also seen sexually presentung herself to Shinji in that episode (boobs pushed into face, she insists in wearing revealing clothes...) and we get a hint at her backstory at the end of the episode.
Anothing think that happens at the end is Asuka accepting/falling in love with a guy. ("You show-off" *sweet smile*), thereby accepting her role as a woman?
Who knows.

Even though I saw the whole yoni/reproductive symbolism in episode 10, I never made even half of these connections here. I think you may be on to something, Kendrix.

But wait, that would mean Episode 10 was really important to Asuka's character study... OH SNAP!

[Eva Yojimbo]

Now the whole scene setup, progression and all gives me the weirdest 2001 vibes

I had noticed it before, but, now that you mention it, it is VERY 2001-esque...

I agree 100%. I thought those hills were ment to be boos and the field where light falls is basically the body (with sandbox being the womb)

Swing as clitoris or something is just too even for Eva

Hmmm, I always thought the swing-as-clitoris was pretty obvious given the placement. Now, Sanbox-as-whatever I never really read, and I don't think if they wanted it to be part of the genitalia they would've placed it in that relationship with the swing.

[MugwumpHasNoLiver]

Reichu, I bet that you could make millions manufacturing and selling vulva detectors. All we need to do is create an algorithm that emulates your unique thinking and observational skills, and then hook it up to a smoke detector or something. Once we make it big, everyone will start taking Freud seriously again.

[Xard]

Hmmm, I always thought the swing-as-clitoris was pretty obvious given the placement. Now, Sanbox-as-whatever I never really read, and I don't think if they wanted it to be part of the genitalia they would've placed it in that relationship with the swing.

Well in my opinion that picture ISN'T genitalia. I agree with NemZ, I always thought it was more a arced feminine body outline (under such view the sandbox would be just around the womb idea. It would make sense as this is the scene immeaditly after he has re-entered the "womb").

It's like people here are obsessed with vaginas or something.

[Sachi]

Reichu, I bet that you could make millions manufacturing and selling vulva detectors.

Beep... Beep... Beep... Yup, definitely a vagina.

[Eva Yojimbo]

Well in my opinion that picture ISN'T genitalia. I agree with NemZ, I always thought it was more a arced feminine body outline (under such view the sandbox would be just around the womb idea. It would make sense as this is the scene immeaditly after he has re-entered the "womb").

If mountains are boobs then how is the swing an "arched feminine body outline" and why would it make sense to insert that in between the boobs and the womb of the sandbox? IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSICAL I SAY. Although, perhaps I should rephrase: I think the swing set is the entire vaginal area with it coming to a clitoral point at the top. That would make the scene more about Shinji's life after birth, with his sandbox representing his reality (or perception of reality). Him building a NERV pyramid seems to fit in with that concept.

It's like people here are obsessed with vaginas or something.

[Sachi]

I don't see why it can't represent both a womb and a vagina.

[Eva Yojimbo]

I don't see why it can't represent both a womb and a vagina.

I don't know if or is more appropriate.

[Sachi]

Visually it can be interpreted as a vagina, but symbolically it's evocative of the womb. In essence, the scene can serve as a birthing/rebirthing process, which makes both interpretations valid.

I dunno, I may just be tired, or I may need to watch the scene again.

[Reichu]

You guys (not Muggy -- he's cool) are still using "vagina" wrong just to spite me, aren't you?

Now, since this thread is about symbolic representations of the female anatomy, this debauchery cannot go on. Therefore, the ignoramuses / I-don't-give-a-shit-ites among you will repeat after me until you cannot possibly get it wrong: Internal genital tract, vagina. External genitals, vulva. Internal genital tract, vagina. External genitals, vulva. Internal genital tract, vagina. External genitals...

Imagine me emphatically pointing at a sterile anatomical diagram if it helps.

[Mr. Tines]

]magine me emphatically pointing at a sterile anatomical diagram if it helps

"You lost me."[/Shirou]

Sorry, it just had to be done.

[Kendrix]

Ohhhhhhhhh. I think I spot the woman in the image you refer to, so allow me to furnish a crappy illustration for purely educational purposes:

I think this is a bit too forced here, there's too much to draw in.
I think this is more Shinji's isolation/just an ordinary precipice - I do see it in the, uh, other pic, tough. The boob mountains in the background make it very obvious that this one WAS intentional...

[FreakyFilmFan4ever]

Now, since this thread is about symbolic representations of the female anatomy, this debauchery cannot go on. Therefore, the ignoramuses / I-don't-give-a-shit-ites among you will repeat after me until you cannot possibly get it wrong: Internal genital tract, vagina. External genitals, vulva. Internal genital tract, vagina. External genitals, vulva. Internal genital tract, vagina. External genitals...

Imagine me emphatically pointing at a sterile anatomical diagram if it helps.

LOL Why are the metaphoric visual representations of the female sexual anatomy decidedly more complicated than the metaphoric visual representations of the male sexual anatomy? Not once did we have to discuss anything more about the male anatomy than just the penis in the phallus thread. Not even testicles. (Unless I missed that discussion.) But with this thread we have to discuss the vagina, the vulva, the clit, the breasts....

Oh, Anno....

[Xard]

If mountains are boobs then how is the swing an "arched feminine body outline" and why would it make sense to insert that in between the boobs and the womb of the sandbox? IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSICAL I SAY.

yeah it doesn't aaaaaand

I didn't mean the swing though. WTF

And the swing doesn't look like a [s]inferior feminine minipenis[/s] clit either.

what?

[BornIn1142]

I can do one better.

The suggestion of the female body shape and symbolic womb there are all well and good, but am I the only one who can't unsee the goddamn SMILEY FACE?!

[symbv]

LOL Why are the metaphoric visual representations of the female sexual anatomy decidedly more complicated than the metaphoric visual representations of the male sexual anatomy? Not once did we have to discuss anything more about the male anatomy than just the penis in the phallus thread. Not even testicles. (Unless I missed that discussion.) But with this thread we have to discuss the vagina, the vulva, the clit, the breasts....

Viewed from external appearance it is much easier to see a phallus than to see a vagina. How often do you get to see a real vagina, to be honest? Labia majora, labia minora and clitoris yes, but not vagina...

To some anything that has a length to width ratio of more than 5 or so is seen as a phallus reference... Female anatomy needs more effort it seems..