[MUSIC] Classical music in Eva

[Otaprince]

I'm trying to compile a list of all uses of classical music (compositions by Bach, Beethoven, etc-- not original music by Shiro) in the Eva TV and films and where they appear in the show and on the various OSTs. Are there any existing resources on this before I start popping in my discs?

Thanks--

[Nasmoe]

http://www.elorhe.com/JBE/music.html
I think that should help

[Ornette]

There are also a few that briefly show up in Death. The Death OST should have them listed, I remember something by Dvorak.

[Reichu]

Should be complete. In order of appearance.

Episode - Title - Scene - Soundtrack

• #15 - Wedding March - Misato's friend's wedding - never released on an NGE album, to my knowledge
  
• #15 - F-3 TAKE 2 [CHILDHOOD MEMORIES, SHUT AWAY]* - Shinji playing the cello - TV-III
  
• #22 - CHORUS : Hallelujah (MESSIAH) - Arael mind-hax Eva-02 & Asuka - ADDITION
  
• #22 - CHORUS : Worthy is the Lamb...Amen (MESSIAH) - Eva-00 gets the Spear and puts Arael down - ADDITION
  
• #24 - 4th Mov : Presto (SYMPHONY No.9 IN D MINOR Op.125 "CHORAL") - Shinji listening to his SDAT near the gate - ADDITION
  
• #24 - 4th Mov : Presto (SYMPHONY No.9 IN D MINOR Op.125 "CHORAL") - most of the second half of the episode - ADDITION
  
• #25 - 4th Mov : Presto (SYMPHONY No.9 IN D MINOR Op.125 "CHORAL") - opening scene re: Kaworu's death - ADDITION
  
• DEATH - Suiten für Violoncello solo Nr.1 G-dur, BWV. 1007 1.Vorspier - Shinji at the title - DEATH
  
• DEATH - DVORÁK: Original Complete Version - Shinji's second solo - DEATH
  
• DEATH - Partita III für Violino solo E-dur, BWV. 1006 3.Gavotte in Rondo - Asuka's solo - DEATH
  
• DEATH - Kanon D-dur (Quintet, no cembalo) [Kanon D-dur (Quartet)] - The school, and Toji lazing around - DEATH
  
• DEATH - 4th Mov : Presto (SYMPHONY No.9 IN D MINOR Op.125 "CHORAL") - big Kaworu scene from #24 - ADDITION
  
• DEATH - Kanon D-dur (normal) [Kanon D-dur (Strings Orchestra)] - end credits - DEATH
  
• Episode #25' - II Air [ORCHESTRAL SUITE No.3 in D Major, BWV.1068] - Eva-02 vs. Eva Series ~ Gendo & Ritsuko - EoE
  
• Episode #26' - Jesus bleibet meine Freude [Herz und Mund und Tat und Leben BWV.147] - live action sequence - EoE
  
• Episode #26' - Jesus bleibet meine Freude [Herz und Mund und Tat und Leben BWV. 147] (Strings) - end credits (only on the version of episode #26' released on the Japanese "Genesis" volumes) - S2 Works

*I had this down at one point as a classical piece, but I can't find the relevant notes at the moment. AchtungAffen made the original observation, if memory serves.

[Otaprince]

Reichu, you amaze me. Thank you.

I've been wondering about the specific recordings used in the show-- what conductors and orchestras recorded the versions used in Eva? Do the liner notes to the OSTs or ending credits to the show/films list them?

[Sailor Star Dust]

Addition (my bootleg copy that I didn't realize was such ^^; ) has notes about Ode to Joy and the Hallelujah chorus in terms of what orchestra preformed those... I think it says something about the conductor too.

[Reichu]

@Otaprince: You're welcome.

The back of the ADDITION booklet refers to two classical music recordings:

GEORGE FRIDERIC HANDEL: MESSIAH (COMPLETE)
Conducted by JOHANNES SOMARY
ENGLISH CHAMBER ORCHESTRA
OVC 4018/9 (Vanguard Classics)

LUDWIG VAN BEETHOVEN: SYMPHONY No.9
Conducted by ALEXANDER RAHBARI
BRTN PHILHARMONIC ORCHESTRA, BRUSSELS
DICD 920151 (DISCOVER INTERNATIONAL)

The piano arrangement of "Jesus bleibet" used in EoE is credited to Jan Panenka. For everything else released to an NGE soundtrack, Sagisu did the arrangement and none of the musical performers are credited anywhere (AFAIK).

And it turns out that "F-3 TAKE 2 [CHILDHOOD MEMORIES, SHUT AWAY]" is the same piece as "Suiten für Violoncello solo Nr.1 G-dur, BWV. 1007 1.Vorspier" [sic] by Bach. In English, "Cello Suite No. 1 in G major, BWV 1007, 1st movement - Prelude".

[Otaprince]

Interesting-- I was wondering particularly about Beethoven's Ninth, which, like Eva, is a piece people obsess over. It has been recorded a billion times and everyone seems to have their own favorites and strongly-held opinions.

There is a little information about Alexander Rahbari and the BRTN Philharmonic Orchestra Brussels floating around the net. This seems to be the recording itself. The takeaway is this:

There are many widely acknowledged "great" and "famous" recordings of Beethoven's Ninth, by such famous conductors as Herbert von Karajan, Georg Solti, etc ad nauseum, but Eva licensed a budget-label recording of Beethoven's Ninth by a conductor and orchestra that's not internationally well-known, presumably for budget reasons. Maybe in Rebuild they'll license a famous one in 7.1 sound :)

[Ornette]

They could easily hire an orchestra and play the peice to suit their exact needs (like in Nodame).

[Hunter21]

Maybe in Rebuild they'll license a famous one in 7.1 sound :)

You don't get discounts on license's just because you don't play the whole song. And considering how many there are....

While I agree that would be nice, it would cost a lot of money for very little return. The combined license fee's of all the most famous recordings would most likely cost more than putting together an orchestra to play whatever score they need.

[thewayneiac]

Interesting-- I was wondering particularly about Beethoven's Ninth, which, like Eva, is a piece people obsess over. It has been recorded a billion times and everyone seems to have their own favorites and strongly-held opinions.

I've read that when CDs were in development, one of the goals they set themselves was that Beethoven's Ninth should fit on one single-sided disk. They succeeded.

[The Imperialist]

Too bad they didn't go for the original plan of using the Polovetsian Dance from Prince Igor. (I do have to say they should also have used extracts from Gotterdammerung, but oh well)

[BrikHaus]

Needs more Wagner.

[Reichu]

Too bad they didn't go for the original plan of using the Polovetsian Dance from Prince Igor.

"Original plan"?

[Alaska Slim]

@Otaprince: You're welcome.

The back of the ADDITION booklet refers to two classical music recordings:

And it turns out that "F-3 TAKE 2 [CHILDHOOD MEMORIES, SHUT AWAY]" is the same piece as "Suiten für Violoncello solo Nr.1 G-dur, BWV. 1007 1.Vorspier" [sic] by Bach. In English, "Cello Suite No. 1 in G major, BWV 1007, 1st movement - Prelude".

Just to clarify, "BOTH OF YOU, DANCE LIKE YOU WANT TO WIN!", is an original piece? Not like the above, a renamed exert of a previous work? It reminded me a bit of movements from Beethoven's Pastoral symphony, and some work by an early 20th century classical Argentinean composer (bit of a contradiction there, and my music professor tries to convince my class that music is mostly straightforward), so I've always been curious.

[Sailor Star Dust]

It was on S2 Works and it's not with the CD that contains Sagisu's arrangements of classic pieces, so yes it's an original piece.

[The Imperialist]

I do swear that Anno (or anybody related) said something about first using the Polovetsian Dance for the opening theme, but decided to do a more modern touch for fears of losing popularity.

[PuppetChaos]

... Polovetsian Dance for the opening theme, but decided to do a more modern touch for fears of losing popularity.

I don't think it was Anno that decided that, but the show's sponsors (they'd be more worried about marketability, naturally)

[Ornette]

Wikipedia says:

According to the liner notes to the album Refrain of Evangelion, director Hideaki Anno had originally wanted to use music from Borodin's Polovetsian Dances as the opening. The TV station (TV Tokyo) felt that audiences would be confused by a classical opening to an anime, and requested a change to a more typical or J-Pop & upbeat song. The production of the result, "A Cruel Angel's Thesis", was handled by Toshimichi Ōtsuki. The original song included a male chorus, which was cut at Anno's request in order to "emphasize maternal affection".

However, I have a copy of the liner notes, and it doesn't seem to say anything. Someone want to double check for me?

[iamsynch]

I'm pretty sure the beginning of Beethoven's Emperor Concerto is the same as the beginning in "Dance like you want to win". I don't hear the Pastorale connection though.