Gendo's third impact

Iam(not)toji · Postby **Iam(not)toji** » Wed Sep 23, 2009 11:12 am

Maybe this question has already been answered but what would have happened if Gendo had initiated his version of third impact? Would everybody have been turned into LCL except him and Yui or would everybody just be LCL with no chance of escape?

AuraTwilight · Postby **AuraTwilight** » Wed Sep 23, 2009 11:39 am

Everyone would've been fine, as all souls would've been collected in Unit 01 temporarily to ride out Third Impact. Afterwards, everyone would be released and allowed to rematerialize. Gendo would've stayed in the Eva with Yui.

Iam(not)toji · Postby **Iam(not)toji** » Wed Sep 23, 2009 11:43 am

If that was the case then what was that whole scene where the Prime Minister is talking about Nerv plotting the destruction of the human race talking about?

Merridian · Postby **Merridian** » Wed Sep 23, 2009 12:17 pm

^ There would still have been Third Impact, it's just that humanity would come out of it more-or-less intact. It'd still have been extremely devastating to social infrastructure and... well... everything else, but nobody would have actually died in the process.

Now, post-3I there'd probably be tons of suffering due to the lack of infrastructure, and people would undoubtedly die THEN, but that isn't the point. Civilization getting hit with the reboot button was the point.

The Prime Minister was probably just assuming that 3I=apocalypse=everybody dies, not 3I=apocalypse=civilization dies. Not to mention any propaganda SEELE probably fed to him/the rest of the government.

The Eva Monkey · Postby **The Eva Monkey** » Wed Sep 23, 2009 12:33 pm

AuraTwilight wrote:Everyone would've been fine, as all souls would've been collected in Unit 01 temporarily to ride out Third Impact. Afterwards, everyone would be released and allowed to rematerialize. Gendo would've stayed in the Eva with Yui.

I don't agree with this.

It's hard for me to have a well developed idea of what is supposedly going on, not much detail is provided, and the "official" English translations are "mangled".

Can anyone suggest some good threads to point to? I'm short on time.

Postby **Mr. Tines** » Wed Sep 23, 2009 1:03 pm

Merridian wrote:Not to mention any propaganda SEELE probably fed to him/the rest of the government.

Precisely -- SEELE were most certainly running black propaganda as part of their behind-the-scenes puppetry.

Adekis · Postby **Adekis** » Wed Sep 23, 2009 1:27 pm

So, basically, if Gendo had been in charge, the world would've been in better shape than with Shinji?

What about the Angels? What would happen if they instigated it?

Merridian · Postby **Merridian** » Wed Sep 23, 2009 1:42 pm

Adekis wrote:So, basically, if Gendo had been in charge, the world would've been in better shape than with Shinji?

Shinji sorta did both SEELE's AND Gendo's scenario, but only at his mom's insistence. At first, everyone was of one mind, and then Shinji wasn't really happy with that, so he shattered everyone back into their identities and left the soup. I don't know how less traumatic the experience for the everyman would have been with Gendo in charge, but I doubt there would have been too much of a difference in the end.
:shrug:

I suppose EoE/EoTV was ultimately Gendo's result (minus Gendo staying with Yui in Unit-01) through SEELE's means, but I'm still somewhat uncertain. Not like any of this shit is spelled out...

Adekis wrote:What would happen if they instigated it?

Everybody would have died, and the Angels would have lived forever. LCL-based life forms would have been killed off in favor of the PWM-based life-forms.

Dranzer · Postby **Dranzer** » Wed Sep 23, 2009 3:29 pm

Merridian wrote:Everybody would have died, and the Angels would have lived forever. LCL-based life forms would have been killed off in favor of the PWM-based life-forms.

A little off: Angels?Living on earth?Most of the Angels are created for combat...not for living.
I don't know,it makes no sense to me...

Postby **Mr. Tines** » Wed Sep 23, 2009 3:33 pm

Dranzer wrote:A little off: Angels?Living on earth?

Had Lilith not happened to arrive on the world where Adam had made planetfall, then there would have been a purely Adamic ecosystem. An Angel-initiated 3I would be a reset to their option.

Dranzer · Postby **Dranzer** » Wed Sep 23, 2009 3:44 pm

Mr. Tines wrote:
Dranzer wrote:A little off: Angels?Living on earth?
Had Lilith not happened to arrive on the world where Adam had made planetfall, then there would have been a purely Adamic ecosystem. An Angel-initiated 3I would be a reset to their option.

I see... after my post,i was thinking almost about this. Now i understand.

Postby **NemZ** » Wed Sep 23, 2009 3:49 pm

I'm not convinced there would have necessarily been an impact at all if Gendo got his way. Maybe he would have just taken Rei with him into 01, then the resulting gestalt would rule over humanity as a new god.

Iam(not)toji · Postby **Iam(not)toji** » Wed Sep 23, 2009 3:59 pm

So pretty much all we know is that Gendo wanted to use Rei to attain god powers and what he would have done with those god powers besides reunite himself with Yui is uncertain?

Postby **thewayneiac** » Wed Sep 23, 2009 6:34 pm

The Eva Monkey wrote:
AuraTwilight wrote:Everyone would've been fine, as all souls would've been collected in Unit 01 temporarily to ride out Third Impact. Afterwards, everyone would be released and allowed to rematerialize. Gendo would've stayed in the Eva with Yui.

I don't agree with this.

It's hard for me to have a well developed idea of what is supposedly going on, not much detail is provided, and the "official" English translations are "mangled".

Can anyone suggest some good threads to point to? I'm short on time.

Here's a thread where this is extensively debated.

[url]http://forum.evageeks.org/viewtopic.php?t=606&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=20[/url]

Eva Yojimbo · Postby **Eva Yojimbo** » Wed Sep 23, 2009 9:11 pm

Iam(not)toji wrote:So pretty much all we know is that Gendo wanted to use Rei to attain god powers and what he would have done with those god powers besides reunite himself with Yui is uncertain?

That's pretty much it. The only thing we know for certain is that he wanted to be reunited with Yui. I'm of the opinion that if he had achieved that nothing else would've happened. The only reason he would've had to initiate 3I would be to destroy the MPEs so there would be no possibility of mankind ever achieving 3I/Instrumentality again. But it seems to me that Gendo would be the guy to say "Screw you guys, I'm going home" and would've flown off with Yui into the space and eternity.

Lucretius · Postby **Lucretius** » Wed Sep 23, 2009 10:57 pm

I like the manga's take on Gendo's plans. He doesn't just want to be reunited with Yui, he wants to remain a God. Of course the anime isn't the manga, but I never got very benevolent vibes from anime Gendo either.

Adekis · Postby **Adekis** » Wed Sep 23, 2009 11:15 pm

Mr. Tines wrote:
Dranzer wrote:A little off: Angels?Living on earth?
Had Lilith not happened to arrive on the world where Adam had made planetfall, then there would have been a purely Adamic ecosystem. An Angel-initiated 3I would be a reset to their option.

Okay, but though I'm sure the other Angels would've gone for this, I'm not sure about Tabris. He's a lot more complex and definitely more human. Would his aims have been SEELE's, or would he have had his own goals in mind?

Merridian · Postby **Merridian** » Thu Sep 24, 2009 12:30 am

Adekis wrote:He's a lot more complex and definitely more human. Would his aims have been SEELE's, or would he have had his own goals in mind?

I think he's only 'more human' in that he looks human, sounds human, and is otherwise relatable to other human beings. He's most certainly NOT human, though. Wasn't his body made up of PWM just like Rei's & the angels' were?

His goals would have definitely been his own, if he ever succeeded in the impact. However, since he had that weird 'free will' thing going on (and the fact he was duped... or WAS he?? :gasp:

“wtf--Lilith? But the Director's Cuts told me I already KNEW that!" Ambiguity! Oh the drama!), he probably would have let Shinji squish him anyway. As it was, SEELE's plans for Kaworu amounted Kaworu dying just so Instrumentality could finally commence.

AyrYntake · Postby **AyrYntake** » Thu Sep 24, 2009 11:41 am

SEELE didn't mean for him to die.
Not to begin with, anyway.

AuraTwilight · Postby **AuraTwilight** » Thu Sep 24, 2009 1:41 pm

Yes, they did. They pretty much sent him on a suicide mission.

Gendo's third impact

Gendo's third impact

Who is online