Asuka's fate

[the_seventh_child]

So what happened to Asuka in EoE?

First she was on a coma,then she awakes on her Eva realises that her mother "was" with her all the time,hyper-sychronises with her and then she gets to fight with the Eva Series..

the point which is very confusing is did she die on this fight?that's what it seems..i mean "Lance of Longinus"-the copy actually-pierced her head,and then she got eaten by the Eva-series..who could have survived this situation?but if she did die why Rei-Lilith didn't appear to collect her soul like she did on the others(Misato,Ritsuko etc..)?
i believe Anno would show this,if it happened..it could not have been left out..

another thing that got me thinking is that we see Asuka to hold her stomach and eye like they're really damaged..we even see blood on her left eye..is that her imagination probably?

and something else..before Asuka's "connection" with her mother she keep telling-i don't wanna die,i don't wanna die..maybe this has something to do with her very strong will to live that's why she appears in the end of the movie..

your opinion?

[MongolSquad]

In the movie, it heavily points to that Asuka dies. Especially when the Mass Production Eva's tear apart Eva-02 and carry away it's light carcass. And the emotional reaction from Shinji is extremely strong too. But, her soul was able to be collected during Third Impact, as we all know, Shinji wished to be with Asuka, and so, Rei brought her back for Shinji.

[Hunter21]

I believe that Asuka died in EoE, and the sight of her dead body is what drove Shinji to the final state of his madness. And I agree with her soul being collected as well. But I differ in that I believe Asuka came back, not only because Shinji wished it, but because of her strong will to live and that she wanted to be with him as well.

[Reichu]

I believe that Asuka died in EoE, and the sight of her dead body is what drove Shinji to the final state of his madness.

First, Shinji never saw Asuka's dead body, only Kyoko-sama's.

And I'm pretty sure Shinji was driven more deeply into "madness" after this, considering the enormous lingering screams he released when he saw Giant Naked Rei and, afterwards, the harpies get even uglier than they were before.

Anyway, here's a pre-existing thread on the matter at that other forum.

[Shin-seiki]

So what happened to Asuka in EoE?

First she was on a coma,then she awakes on her Eva realises that her mother "was" with her all the time,hyper-sychronises with her and then she gets to fight with the Eva Series..

the point which is very confusing is did she die on this fight?that's what it seems..i mean "Lance of Longinus"-the copy actually-pierced her head,and then she got eaten by the Eva-series..who could have survived this situation?but if she did die why Rei-Lilith didn't appear to collect her soul like she did on the others(Misato,Ritsuko etc..)?
i believe Anno would show this,if it happened..it could not have been left out..

another thing that got me thinking is that we see Asuka to hold her stomach and eye like they're really damaged..we even see blood on her left eye..is that her imagination probably?

and something else..before Asuka's "connection" with her mother she keep telling-i don't wanna die,i don't wanna die..maybe this has something to do with her very strong will to live that's why she appears in the end of the movie..

your opinion?

With regard to the underlined above, it is important to note that when Rei appears before Misato and Ritsuko as they die in #25', she is not collecting their souls; that happens in #26' in the 3I sequence (where we see Rei by their bodies that have reverted to LCL, just like everyone else). In #25', Misato and Ritsuko's souls aren't going anywhere; the idea is that Rei is acting as a 'medium' to account for the presence of their minds in the Pre-3I Instrumentality sequence (i.e. #26', once Shinji goes sploosh in the entry plug, from the Sandbox Scene to the start of Komm Susser Tod)

[the_seventh_child]

With regard to the underlined above, it is important to note that when Rei appears before Misato and Ritsuko as they die in #25', she is not collecting their souls; that happens in #26' in the 3I sequence (where we see Rei by their bodies that have reverted to LCL, just like everyone else). In #25', Misato and Ritsuko's souls aren't going anywhere; the idea is that Rei is acting as a 'medium' to account for the presence of their minds in the Pre-3I Instrumentality sequence (i.e. #26', once Shinji goes sploosh in the entry plug, from the Sandbox Scene to the start of Komm Susser Tod)

yeah you're right..my mistake..
it's good that you cleared this up...

[Phaze]

I believe that Asuka died in EoE, and the sight of her dead body is what drove Shinji to the final state of his madness. And I agree with her soul being collected as well. But I differ in that I believe Asuka came back, not only because Shinji wished it, but because of her strong will to live and that she wanted to be with him as well.

One of the alternate endings had Shinji making a grave for Asuka, implying that he didn't realize she would come back, so I tend to agree.

With regard to the underlined above, it is important to note that when Rei appears before Misato and Ritsuko as they die in #25', she is not collecting their souls; that happens in #26' in the 3I sequence (where we see Rei by their bodies that have reverted to LCL, just like everyone else). In #25', Misato and Ritsuko's souls aren't going anywhere; the idea is that Rei is acting as a 'medium' to account for the presence of their minds in the Pre-3I Instrumentality sequence (i.e. #26', once Shinji goes sploosh in the entry plug, from the Sandbox Scene to the start of Komm Susser Tod)

And what of Kaworu? I suppose she was able to collect his soul (Adam's soul, if you prefer) in epidode 24 right after he was decapitated?

[Reichu]

And what of Kaworu? I suppose she was able to collect his soul (Adam's soul, if you prefer) in epidode 24 right after he was decapitated?

Gendo apparently collected Kaworu's head and put the soul back in its body (which just happened to be attached to his right palm) himself. When Rei took Adam from Gendo, she got Adam's soul, as well, which explains what Kaworu is doing in GNR shortly thereafter.

[Hunter21]

Anyway,here's a pre-existing thread on the matter at that other forum.

Read it and all it really says is the same thing we already said, Asuka dies in EoE. What happens during 3I is what is more important, and I still stick by my original statement that Asuka wanted to come back as well. And please don't derail the post by going on some oddball kaworu slant. Just make a new topic post.

[Reichu]

And please don't derail the post by going on some oddball kaworu slant. Just make a new topic post.

Phaze started it. :points accusingly:

[sadsadshinji]

er...if you look at the pictures of eva 02, you can see that part of the chest is intact (part of the arm, the head, neck as well as the shoulders) so there is a great chance that the entry plug was still intact.
Asuka may have survived, seeing as she would have felt the pain, but not died (she would have significant nerve damage though)

[Reichu]

er...if you look at the pictures of eva 02, you can see that part of the chest is intact (part of the arm, the head, neck as well as the shoulders) so there is a great chance that the entry plug was still intact.

No.

Read that thread I linked to earlier.

[sadsadshinji]

oops, sorry about that...

[the_seventh_child]

er...if you look at the pictures of eva 02, you can see that part of the chest is intact (part of the arm, the head, neck as well as the shoulders) so there is a great chance that the entry plug was still intact.
Asuka may have survived, seeing as she would have felt the pain, but not died (she would have significant nerve damage though)

you may have a good point here sss..if someone could give screenshots that would be great..

[DatDude]

I've always though MOST of what happened to Asuka in EoE was clear. As clear as things get in eva that is.

Now we see waht happens to her in unit 2 for the most part. We do not actualy see her " die " or Rei collect her sole, we do know she ended up in instrumentality. So she ether died ( wich is most likly) or was injured to the point of death. The fact that the wounds from the battle were on HER body as well as the eva's we can chulk that up to the copies of the lance or the high synch ration or other techno-babble.

What im realy intrested in knowing was if she like Shinji got a last minute talk from her mother before she came back to her physical form. Now we did hear her mother wispering to her when the JSSDF was bombing her under the lake telling her to go on living, and this is probly the message her mom would be trying send her.

Asuka is IMHO the most messed up of the children, but like Yui said while you are alive their is hope. So I guss shes got a chance, but it up to her.

So I think that as of the End of Evangelion Asuka's fate is really in her own hands.

[Reichu]

you may have a good point here sss..if someone could give screenshots that would be great..

Again, read that thread I linked to earlier. We jot off all of the reasons Asuka died; there is no way she lived, and nothing is gained by pretending that she could have. :P

[the_seventh_child]

you may have a good point here sss..if someone could give screenshots that would be great..

Again, read that thread I linked to earlier. We jot off all of the reasons Asuka died; there is no way she lived, and nothing is gained by pretending that she could have. :P

yeah Reichu i've read it but there is not any part which reffers to the Eva-02 destruction and entry plug like sss said..

[Lethal GD Weapon]

you may have a good point here sss..if someone could give screenshots that would be great..

Again, read that thread I linked to earlier. We jot off all of the reasons Asuka died; there is no way she lived, and nothing is gained by pretending that she could have. :P

yeah Reichu i've read it but there is not any part which reffers to the Eva-02 destruction and entry plug like sss said..

But the destruction of the entry plug is irrelivent if the copies of the Lance did as much damage to Asuka as they looked like they did. I refer you to the point when her arm is split lengthwise when the lance splits Unit 02's arm. If the other lances that then hit have the same effect, there is no possible way for Asuka to survive it.

[sadsadshinji]

i dont know if they truly did the damage that it seemed like they were doing...
perhaps it was all psychological?

[Reichu]

yeah Reichu i've read it but there is not any part which reffers to the Eva-02 destruction and entry plug like sss said..

I suppose you missed some of the points I made there, then.

First off, Maya seemed to be in the know about what happened to EVA-02 and Asuka, but it was too terrible for her to bother finishing her sentences. "Shinji-kun! Eva Nigouki ga! Asuka ga! Asuka ga!!!" Honestly, would she have reacted in such a manner if Asuka was alright?

And let me reiterate all of the same ol' points:

(1) Regardless of whether or not the Spear wounds physically manifested in Asuka herself, just being neurologically connected to an Eva as she is killed would certainly be enough to kill Asuka herself. Nerv fret enough about pilots being connected to their Evas as the Evas are decapitated, or whatever, and that stuff doesn't even KILL the Eva.

(2) In order for EVA-02 to actually die (and she DID), one of the Spears must have pierced her core. The entry plug actually enters the core for synchronization to occur -- so any Spear that skewered Kyoko's core would have had an all-too-good chance of getting Asuka, too.

(3) Even if the plug was still intact afterwards, recall that EVA-02 is dismembered, carried up into the air, and subsequently dropped. A much greater drop, I would imagine, than Rei faced after being ejected from EVA-00 in the #05 flashback -- and look how much THAT messed her up.

(4) Even if you want to go and say Asuka somehow survived all that, there is a very big reason why that would have all ended:



This is the big fucking explosion that exposed the Black Moon. Everything on the Geofront itself was burnt to a crisp. All of the poor JSSDF bastards were vaporized instantly. And so too, I imagine, would have the tattered remnants of Kyoko-sama.

And to top that all off, one of the unused BGMs for EoE is described as "Asuka's death". Sure, it was unused, but, I mean... come on. People.

She died already.