Shin Eva General: Reborn

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Postby BernardoCairo » Thu Jul 01, 2021 5:53 pm

Zusuchan wrote:BernardoCairo: I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

Yeah, I agree. The truth is, we weren't there. So it's impossible to pinpoint what exactly happened during NTE's production. I understand your points, but I'm not backing down from what I said. Honesty, we'll probably never know the "right answer" to this discussion. lol
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Postby TyroLuuki » Fri Jul 02, 2021 12:05 pm

I think Anno's opinion on Gendo has changed radically over the years. He may have disagreed with Tsurumaki's interpretation of Gendo in the past but now, he seems far more sympathetic/apologetic of the character than ever.

In the NHK Professional: Hideaki Anno documentary, there's a clip of Anno outright telling Gendo's VA Tachiki Fumihiko that Gendo is just like him because they're both "lonely people".
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Postby UrsusArctos » Fri Jul 02, 2021 12:49 pm

Tachiki seems a bit amused by the idea in the second picture. It's funny how much Tachiki resembles Gendo now, he just needs the beard to go with his very Gendo-esque glasses!

From what I've heard (take this with a big grain of salt), the ageing industrial area that features in Gendo's childhood is from in or near Ube in Yamaguchi Prefecture where Anno was born, and the old train car associated with Gendo is something from the area as well (I have confirmed that myself). It seems - again, seems like Anno is explicitly associating himself with Gendo or at least the lonely, broken aspect of him in NTE.
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Postby Blockio » Sat Aug 14, 2021 1:08 pm

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Postby TheFriskyIan » Sat Aug 14, 2021 1:55 pm

This movie is over two hours yet Instrumentality feels rushed for some reason? Maybe Shinji shouldn’t have found peace with himself just yet before returning to the Wunder, and instead he also goes through Instrumentality with everyone else? I don’t know, I could be incredibly wrong but to me I feel like there was build up just to have it end immediately after starting.
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Postby aboose » Sat Aug 14, 2021 6:33 pm

View Original PostTheFriskyIan wrote:This movie is over two hours yet Instrumentality feels rushed for some reason? Maybe Shinji shouldn’t have found peace with himself just yet before returning to the Wunder, and instead he also goes through Instrumentality with everyone else? I don’t know, I could be incredibly wrong but to me I feel like there was build up just to have it end immediately after starting.


The reason (at least my interpretation) is that Shinji goes through his own form of maturing before instrumentality starts. Unlike the original series which is extremely Shinji focused, NTE focuses on the full characterization of all the cast. That's why you see so much happening with the other characters but Shinji just seems to be in man mode for all of instrumentality. It's because he already went through his character arc in 3.0 and the first half of 3.0+1.0.

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Postby leconpeludon » Sun Aug 15, 2021 8:46 pm

I hate how Rei from 1.0 and 2.0 just shows up as a soul, Shinji barely even acknowledges her, just says give me the control and them bam she's never again seen, no talk whatsoever. While I agree it would be weird to have them talk there with how urgent everything was, it made me feel no closure for her character.

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Postby Konja7 » Sun Aug 15, 2021 8:59 pm

View Original Postleconpeludon wrote:I hate how Rei from 1.0 and 2.0 just shows up as a soul, Shinji barely even acknowledges her, just says give me the control and them bam she's never again seen, no talk whatsoever. While I agree it would be weird to have them talk there with how urgent everything was, it made me feel no closure for her character.


Rei seems to be trapped in the idea of freeing Shinji from the Eva since 2.22. She also has the idea that she couldn't live without the Eva.

At the end, Shinji convinces Rei that she could have a life without the Eva.

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Postby aboose » Sun Aug 15, 2021 10:45 pm

Yeah not sure how you can say that is no closure when she gets 100x the care that she was given in the original series EoE.

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Postby Axx°N N. » Mon Aug 16, 2021 4:11 am

View Original Postaboose wrote:The reason (at least my interpretation) is that Shinji goes through his own form of maturing before instrumentality starts. Unlike the original series which is extremely Shinji focused, NTE focuses on the full characterization of all the cast.

I don't know, personally, I get a fuller sense of who Misato, Asuka, and Rei are in their instrumentality scenes in 25 than anything in Shin. I also get more out of Misato's sacrifice in EoE and Asuka's MPE fight. Nothing in Shin's non-Shinji intrumentalities felt very real or penetrating. Perhaps you can say they're merely different sets of characters, but under that lens, NTE's versions come off as stock characters and if their Instrumentalities are conclusive or illustrative, it's also in what seems to me to be a lightly drawn way.
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Postby Konja7 » Mon Aug 16, 2021 6:18 am

View Original PostAxx°N N. wrote:I don't know, personally, I get a fuller sense of who Misato, Asuka, and Rei are in their instrumentality scenes in 25 than anything in Shin.


Honestly, I've never liked episode 25 and 26 regarding Asuka, Rei and Misato, because it abandons their stories in the middle and without resolution to focus on Shinji.

I know it's due to episode and budget limitations, but I still don't like that aspect.

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Postby Axx°N N. » Mon Aug 16, 2021 6:36 am

View Original PostKonja7 wrote:Honestly, I've never liked episode 25 and 26 regarding Asuka, Rei and Misato, because it abandons their stories in the middle and without resolution to focus on Shinji.

I know it's due to episode and budget limitations, but I still don't like that aspect.

I respect that impression. For me though, I think it worked as a kind of spilling the beans on the inner natures only they're privy to, as in, what deeper parts of yourself you'd blanch at if anyone walked around in your mind. It's not necessarily something that (I think) can be solved like it can in Shin, because I don't believe in discontinuity with the past or true erasure of those things, they linger on even if you can compartmentalize them in healthier ways. When Misato is seemingly back to her old self at the end of 25, a hand on Shinji's shoulder, I don't think that that contradicts that we left off on her experiencing trauma earlier in the episode. I think it's showing she can be both things, and that it switching to Shinji doesn't cut her off from anything. Shin, though, feels like it snubs its characters, I don't get the same dual nature or nuance there. Hikari's line earlier about life being hard times and easier times comes closest, but not that scene, the way she says it, or the Instrumentality scenes give me enough sense that the characters aren't just transformed and everything will be 100% good now.
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Postby leconpeludon » Tue Aug 17, 2021 12:01 am

Who is it that pilots evangelion 13 when Asuka is trying to seal it?

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Postby ChaddyManPrime » Tue Aug 17, 2021 4:18 am

View Original Postleconpeludon wrote:Who is it that pilots evangelion 13 when Asuka is trying to seal it?

Apparently it is original Asuka and Kaworu

Not original original Asuka but the original clone
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Postby Konja7 » Tue Aug 17, 2021 4:42 am

View Original Postleconpeludon wrote:Who is it that pilots evangelion 13 when Asuka is trying to seal it?


The souless body of Kaworu is the "pilot" (it's like a dummy plug) of Eva-13 according to Yamashita.




If you're asking for original Asuka, that's pretty confusing. However, she seems to be a soul, so she couldn't be a pilot.
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Postby Belllerophon » Tue Aug 17, 2021 5:07 am

Oh, I'm probably late to this, but LCL stands for L-Containment Liquid in the rebuild, doesn't it. (And Core is probably technically L-Containment Solid, since it seems like LCL and Core are the same substance in different states)

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Postby Konja7 » Tue Aug 17, 2021 5:30 am

View Original PostChaddyManPrime wrote:Apparently it is original Asuka and Kaworu

Not original original Asuka but the original clone


According to Yamashita, the souless body of Kaworu is the "pilot" (it's like a dummy plug) of Eva-13.

I don't think Original Asuka is another pilot. She seems to be a soul (I suspect Original Asuka was originally inside Eva-02).


Eva-13 doesn't need two pilots to move. Eva-13 was created with a two entry system, because it would need two souls to use the Spear of Longinus and the Spear of Cassius in Q.

The current plan of Gendo for these Spears is different (it included Eva-01), so he wouldn't need two pilots for Eva-13.

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Postby Belllerophon » Tue Aug 17, 2021 9:49 am

Huh: it looks like the Seed Capsules generate their propulsion via little red cores that produce AT halos. And they're still there after Shinji wipes away all Evangelion stuff on Earth and Moon.

OH WELL I'M SURE IT'LL BE FINE.


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