So, do all Angels have a core?

[Reichu]

While I agree with Reichu on several points she makes it's somewhat insane to agree on absolutely everything she says just because it's her

While having a Legion of Zombie-esque Yes Men can be sort of useful at times, it also makes things kind of boring. You won't find me pulling any argumentum ad authoritatum ("you have to believe me because I'm Reichu and I know everything"), unless I'm doing it for the lulz.

Although, since I am Reichu (whatever that means), I will continue to pitch the ideas that the Evas are female and that the Angels intrinsically possess biological sex (regardless of how bizarre their Imagined Selves are).
If you have good reasons to agree, I you.
If you agree just because I'm Reichu or something, I you.
If you disagree... well, I determine punishment on a case-by-case basis.

Oh yeah, and where does it say on Wikipedia that Ireul is female?

[MaggotMaster]

yeah the whole..."Kaworu is a chick" thing just is never work in my mind

Sup, ever heard of tongue-in-cheek?

While having a Legion of Zombie-esque Yes Men can be sort of useful at times, it also makes things kind of boring. You won't find me pulling any argumentum ad authoritatum ("you have to believe me because I'm Reichu and I know everything"), unless I'm doing it for the lulz.

Oh I never meant to say you would do that, it's just that it's kind of foolish to mindlessly follow someone else's ideas for no reason whatsoever.

Although, since I am Reichu (whatever that means), I will continue to pitch the ideas that the Evas are female and that the Angels intrinsically possess biological sex (regardless of how bizarre their Imagined Selves are).

And I will continue to disagree with the notion because I really think some things in Evangelion weren't intended to be analysed like that or simply were intended to be mysterious and make no sense, good examples would be the mechanics of 3I, Shogoki's ability to activate with absolutely no energy source whatsoever, and several details surrounding the Angels.

[Reichu]

Sup, ever heard of tongue-in-cheek?

Hmm, what do you mean? (The fem-Kaworu idea is known to have at least 4 serious proponents -- maybe 5 now, depends on what exactly SSD is up to -- who are well aware that they are destined for great loneliness.)

And I will continue to disagree with the notion because I really think some things in Evangelion weren't intended to be analysed like that or simply were intended to be mysterious and make no sense

Wakatte iru.

(Although it makes sense to me, hence why I'll probably never shut up about it.)

Shogoki's ability to activate with absolutely no energy source whatsoever

When all else fails: Metaphysical biology.

[zephyr72]

Wakatte iru.

I usually don't nitpick, but i'm pretty sure you mean "wakatteru" which would mean "i am understanding". iru means something along the lines of "to be present" (dictionary form of imasu).

[Reichu]

Wakatte iru.

I usually don't nitpick, but i'm pretty sure you mean "wakatteru" which would mean "i am understanding". iru means something along the lines of "to be present" (dictionary form of imasu).

Wakatteru 分かってる　is the contracted form of wakatte iru　分かっている.

Japanese Verbs: -te iru

[zephyr72]

*shrugs* That's not what my Japanese teacher taught me. Then again, she was very crazy and took every opportunity to pull out and show off a picture of her daughter and dog.

[Reichu]

*shrugs* That's not what my Japanese teacher taught me.

Whatever your Japanese teacher taught you, there's nothing stopping you from investigating matters yourself.

STAY ON TOPIC BITCHES.

[Master]

So if the core contains their souls then does that mean that when destroyed they go Non exsistance? Because if the core is the physical manifastation of their souls... you get my point.

also

Do the angels HAVE to have a gender?

[Anonymous_Evafan]

So if the core contains their souls then does that mean that when destroyed they go Non exsistance? Because if the core is the physical manifastation of their souls... you get my point.

It's not the physical manifastation of their souls it just contains them. Adam's soul was salvaged into Kaworu after Adam died.

also

Do the angels HAVE to have a gender?

God not that debate again! Read Gender/Sex of Non-Lilim Persons and decide for yourself.

[Reichu]

God not that debate again!

Oh, but it's such a FUN debate.

[MaggotMaster]

God not that debate again!

Oh, but it's such a FUN debate.

No.

It is not.

[Reichu]

No.

It is not.

You insult this admin with your uncultivated sense of fun. Philistine! /b/tard! Ham sandwich!

[Katayoku no Tenshi]

yeah the whole..."Kaworu is a chick" thing just is never work in my mind

Body or soul? It is a fact well known by those that know it well that Kaworu has Adams soul. As for the body well no breasts = suggestive, then again GNR and GNK share a crotch :x (thats enough of that)
Why do we need to classify Kaworu seperatly to Adam? No-one calls Rei the 18th or whatever Angel. Why is Kaworu different.

Oh yeah, and where does it say on Wikipedia that Ireul is female?

Well here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ireul they link Ireul with pregnant mothers, but they also say 'he'.

Ham sandwich!

Oh how they laughed ... untill they stopped.

As for Ireul, it seems that each of the bacterial componants have the ability to generate their own ATF, it's a bit of a stretch to assume that the laser just happened to hit the speck that had the core. So either the core as well as the soul has a metiphysical existance or there is one soul spread amoungst many cores.
Or maybe they were each an individual Angel and we need to remumber Leliel 800000012

[Master]

A physical manifistation of a soul. Huh. okay so then whats the us of an ATF when the soul is already in cased inside a core?!

[Katayoku no Tenshi]

First some ATF related quotes:

Shinji: An AT Field
Kaworu: That’s right. That’s what you Lilim call it. The sacred domain where none may trespass. The light of the soul. Lilim, you know, don’t you? That the AT field is the wall that everyone has in their heart?

Asuka (thinking): Mama... Mama! I understand now... The meaning of the AT Field. It's always protecting me! Always watching over me!

Asuka (speaking) Always... always together! Mama!

Gendo: There's no time... Your AT Field can no longer hold your shape. Let's begin, Rei. Release your AT Field, the barrier of your heart.

Rei: This is the sea of LCL... The primordial soup of life. A world without AT Fields... without your own shape.

In Lilim the AT Field, created by the soul, is what allows the body to maintain it’s shape. The SoL, Angels and Evas are able to manifest their AT Field as a physical barrier. As to why this is I must confess ignorance.

At first it may seem to be linked to body size, however both Rei and Kaworu are capable of projecting AT Fields while in their Lilim forms. Another possibility is that it’s to do with the amount of power possessed by each individual. Angels and SoL have their S2 and the Evas have their power cable but that still doesn’t explain Kaworu and Rei. A third possibility is that the souls of the SoL and Angels are more ‘powerful’ than those of Lilim. However that doesn’t explain how Yui-sama’s soul would gain power after taking up residence in Shogouki’s core. Then again getting a giant new über body is bound to give you an Ego boost.

[Reichu]

A physical manifistation of a soul. Huh. okay so then whats the us of an ATF when the soul is already in cased inside a core?!

Defense, offense, locomotion, and many other nifty tricks.

then again GNR and GNK share a crotch

A pelvis.

As for Ireul, it seems that each of the bacterial componants have the ability to generate their own ATF, it's a bit of a stretch to assume that the laser just happened to hit the speck that had the core. So either the core as well as the soul has a metiphysical existance or there is one soul spread amoungst many cores.
Or maybe they were each an individual Angel and we need to remumber Leliel 800000012

800000012?

My guess would be that one soul is existing simultaneously in all of the cells. Not sure what the deal with the multi-ATF projection is.

Perhaps the individual components have nuclei -- very, very small cores.

they link Ireul with pregnant mothers,

Doesn't mean very much -- there are tons of angels whose names were inscribed on those amulets.

but they also say 'he'.

Well, that's standard procedure for the supposedly androgynous angels.

[Katayoku no Tenshi]

A pelvis.

Oops

800000012?

Lots and lots of bacteria-angels no idea how many it just seemed like a good number. Then the numbering would carry on. I may also have had yaoyorozu-no-kami in the back of my mind (odd thing the human mind) or is it 8 million?

Doesn't mean very much -- there are tons of angels whose names were inscribed on those amulets.
...
Well, that's standard procedure for the supposedly androgynous angels.

You asked. I didn't say it was particularly relevant or interesting.

[Sailor Star Dust]

Sup, ever heard of tongue-in-cheek?

Hmm, what do you mean? (The fem-Kaworu idea is known to have at least 4 serious proponents -- maybe 5 now, depends on what exactly SSD is up to -- who are well aware that they are destined for great loneliness.)

I agree with fem-Kaworu 'cause it just makes sense to me and no, I'm not just one of those Mr.Burns type yes-men (err, woman in this case ;)).

OT In Example rambling then I'll return to the acutal topic at hand: The majority(???) of people here think the final scene happened several weeks/months/whatever later. However, I for whatever reason (don't ask me as I don't get it myself) I feel like it happened that same night Shinji returned, mostly because of ZOMG TEH Rei being there but also, if Asuka really does have the will to live on, wouldn't she return as soon as she could??


Anyway, I was going to ask what exactly the cores do, but Leaky answered for me, but I dunno how correct it is, so could one of you verify this?

The Angel's core, the red sphere in the Angel's torso, contains the soul and the S² Engine; sufficient damage is fatal.

And I don't like what it says about Adam's gender or lack thereof.

The designation of "Adam" implies a male or masculine being. However, Kaworu, the 17th Angel, refers to Adam as "the entity who is our [the Angels'] mother". This doesn't prove for a fact that Adam is female (as we know it), but it seems to negate the possibility of maleness, and suggests that Adam be viewed as a "mother being" along the lines of Lilith or the Evas.

On the plus side, somebody (from here, prehaps?) put up that Classified Info, (which mentions the FAR and all that) so that's good.

Anywho, I think it's safe to say all the Angels have cores, we just can't see them, such as the case with Ireul and probably some others (Where are Lil's and Adam's core??)

And about Lilim, the 18th Angel:

In The End of Evangelion, Misato mentions that the other Angels were merely other directions that human evolution may have taken, and that humanity is the 18th Angel. It is uncertain if this is literally true, or if she was merely commenting on the destructive nature of Angels and humans. When all this is taken into account, the original ending of the series is that much more perplexing.

So, is it literal or symbolic? I always thought it was a mixture of both. ie: Humankind is the 18th Angel, but it's not like we have Angelic powers or any such thing. (And how the hell is the orginal ending "more perplexing"?! Why don't people get that he rejected that in BOTH the series and movie?! Is it THAT hard to understand?! *Head Desk*)

Um, yeah...I thought I'd ask all this here since it IS a theard about the Angels and all. ^^;

[flatulant]

(Where are Lil's and Adam's core??)

Look at Adam's chest:


And the core does NOT contain the S2 engine. Proof of this is Eva Shogouki having a core before devouring Zeruel.

[Reichu]

And the core does NOT contain the S2 engine. Proof of this is Eva Shogouki having a core before devouring Zeruel.

Not this again... -_-'

First off, your logic is flawed. I can have an empty glass in my hand and then put water into it. Similarly, I could have a core in my chest, then devour somebody's S2 Engine and reconstruct the organ within. (I.e., a container may be filled after the fact. Common sense, no?)

Second -- the evidence is right there in the show. Sorry.

http://evageeks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=46187#46187
http://evageeks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=21499#21499