Is AI the real life Human Instrumentality project?

[Luigi shinji]

I recently following the news about the advencements of Ai's and I think we are extremely close to have technologies that make it possible to reject reality entirely.

I think we are all gonna be in the same situation as Shinji was in EOE.

What do you folks think about it?

[Blockio]

I don't think I quite follow. AI, at current, is still little more than a gadget to parse large amounts of data for patterns and simulate results out of a large amount of data; I don't at all see how it relates to Instrumentality

[Luigi shinji]

I don't think I quite follow. AI, at current, is still little more than a gadget to parse large amounts of data for patterns and simulate results out of a large amount of data; I don't at all see how it relates to Instrumentality

These technologies are make it availble for everyone to visualize their fantasies for now in still images, but given how fast these technologies advencing it will be possible for motion picture and virtual 3D enviorments aswell. This combined with the advences of virtual reality technologies will make it possible to reject reality entirely.

I think this will cause a situation where people chose to reject their real life and live all of their life within these AI and VR created realities.

Now the Instrumentality project had a totaly different premis but I think the end results for the real life word will be the same as in EOE.

Or may be I see too much into it, but I feel a huge resemblance with Shinji's relation to Instrumentality to our relations to these new AI technologies.

(I'm sorry for my english, but I hope it is understandble enough what want to say)

[Mr. Tines]

In the form of self-bootstrapping general AI, then that is a common scenario for a technological Singularity in speculations on the subject -a hard-takeoff SysOp Event, in the turn-of-the-century jargon for the subject, manifesting as something along the lines of EoE's Third Impact. Indeed that's whence terms like "Transition Guide" entered the lexicon here.

In terms of the state of the art, where we're publicly at with things like ChatGPT or Stable Diffusion, I can only channel the words of Marvin the paranoid android : "What a depressingly stupid machine." What they output is best summed up as "if you don't care in detail where you're going, it doesn't particularly matter precisely where you end up."

So, not this year, I don't think.

[Blockio]

Yeah, I think you're severely overestimating the capabilities of AI and the collective readiness of accepting it as a way to shape personal reality. As it stands, AI, despite the name, is quite stupid

[nerv bae]

These technologies are make it availble for everyone to visualize their fantasies for now in still images, but given how fast these technologies advencing it will be possible for motion picture and virtual 3D enviorments aswell. This combined with the advences of virtual reality technologies will make it possible to reject reality entirely.

I think this will cause a situation where people chose to reject their real life and live all of their life within these AI and VR created realities.

Now the Instrumentality project had a totaly different premis but I think the end results for the real life word will be the same as in EOE.

Or may be I see too much into it, but I feel a huge resemblance with Shinji's relation to Instrumentality to our relations to these new AI technologies.

(I'm sorry for my english, but I hope it is understandble enough what want to say)

I understand your perspective. My answer to your topical question is "no," because while Instrumentality eliminates barriers between people, I expect that the use of AI and VR to "reject reality entirely" would do the opposite: erect new barriers between people. I think we can already see this trend forming insofar as current social media technology (which helps people communicate in certain ways!) is ironically an isolating force.

[Luigi shinji]

I understand your perspective. My answer to your topical question is "no," because while Instrumentality eliminates barriers between people, I expect that the use of AI and VR to "reject reality entirely" would do the opposite: erect new barriers between people. I think we can already see this trend forming insofar as current social media technology (which helps people communicate in certain ways!) is ironically an isolating force.

Yes ai and Instrumentality have different out comes but in the view point of a single person it looks similar :
Choose an abstrackt way of exictence over real life.

In the form of self-bootstrapping general AI, then that is a common scenario for a technological Singularity in speculations on the subject -a hard-takeoff SysOp Event, in the turn-of-the-century jargon for the subject, manifesting as something along the lines of EoE's Third Impact. Indeed that's whence terms like "Transition Guide" entered the lexicon here.

In terms of the state of the art, where we're publicly at with things like ChatGPT or Stable Diffusion, I can only channel the words of Marvin the paranoid android : "What a depressingly stupid machine." What they output is best summed up as "if you don't care in detail where you're going, it doesn't particularly matter precisely where you end up."

So, not this year, I don't think.

A few month passed since you write this and today I read an article about ai that said we are pretty close to singularity but I hope you are the one end up right.

Double post; merged - JoelcrNeto

[Axx°N N.]

If anything AI will drive us in the opposite direction from synthesis. Hyper-polarization is already occurring based on every current algorithm, and it's making people understand each other less, not more. AI, because it's not going to be used in a vacuum, will accelerate the current corporate MO of hyper-individualism and isolation. I don't think Eva resembles anything remotely true to reality in a political or sociological sense; it's, to my mind, exclusively successful as personal and psychological metaphor. The interesting stuff about to go down, in reality, is how different kinds of ideologies and political forces put AI to their uses, and the novel schisms this will create culturally through ripple effect.

[Blockio]

A few month passed since you write this and today I read an article about ai that said we are pretty close to singularity but I hope you are the one end up right.

There is a lot of reporting out there that either fuly does not understand what AI is or does, or wants you to believe that it is something far more capable than it actually is to get people to click on the article.
As the old saying goes, if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is

[Tony15]

I get what you're saying about the similarities for super AGI, once the language of the mind is decoded and can be translated and transcripted to other substrates that can process the same cognitive tasks, I think you might be onto something, but instead of soup it will be servers lol

[Blockio]

I don't think that one will ever happen; certainly not within the lifetime of any of us here. I'm not a programmer nor a neurologist, but I am working in the field of tech, and we are nowhere near any AI that passes the Turing test, not to mention the vast amounts of things we still have no idea about how they work in our brains

[nerv bae]

I don't think that one will ever happen; certainly not within the lifetime of any of us here. I'm not a programmer nor a neurologist, but I am working in the field of tech, and we are nowhere near any AI that passes the Turing test, not to mention the vast amounts of things we still have no idea about how they work in our brains

Haven't there been credible instances in the last year of text-based LLMs passing Turing tests, at least informally? I thought there had been.

[Blockio]

Not to my knowledge. There was a bit of an uproar after some chatbots produced text to the effect that they were sentient, which was hyped up by techbros, clickbait outlets and a couple other groups as proof that they were, while everyone actually familiar with the technology was quick to point out that they only fed back recombined snippets of human writing, kind of like putting the words "I am sentient" into a word document, pressing ctrl+p and then worrying that your printer might be sentient; none of the chatbots have the technical prerequisites for General Artificial Intelligence, as they do not have any contextual understanding (or any understanding at all for that matter), it is just repeating statistical text patterns; which is why sometimes, you just get complete non sequiturs

[Asunji_Yuko]

I recently following the news about the advencements of Ai's and I think we are extremely close to have technologies that make it possible to reject reality entirely.

I think we are all gonna be in the same situation as Shinji was in EOE.

What do you folks think about it?

In a manner of speaking, like escaping reality, I can see what you mean.