What now?

[Anonymous_Evafan]

It was Kyoko. As to why Asuka missed it or whatever, don't look at me!
<insert Anno go fanwank something photo>

I mean, we know that the side that cared the most about Asuka is in Nigoki, I doubt that side of Kyoko would be like "LOL Asuka I WANT YOU TO DIE WITH ME"

(A) A blue four-eyed monster swallows the 'maternal component' of her soul.
(B) She goes batshit crazy, kills some dolls believing that they're "Asuka-chan", and finally hangs herself. (And "Asuka-chan".)
(C) What happens then? Well, why put all that soul in Kyoko's corpse to waste! Let's put her back together!
(D) "I LOVE YOU Asuka! I WANT YOU TO LIVE! BUT ONLY SO THAT YOU CAN DIE WITH ME! GWAAAAARRRRRRR!!!!"

[MaggotMaster]

Reichu's idea seems too farfetched to me.

Let's just assume the DIE WITH ME was our imaginations and the scene makes sense.

[Anonymous_Evafan]

You don't think a whole soul might be an asset to a combat model Eva? It certainly wasn't imagined, so Kyoko's soul being put back together is the only thing that makes any sense, seemingly far-fetched or not.

That "I'll kill you" rant was Kyoko talking not Asuka. Hyuga reports bousou or, if you pay attention to Reichu, out of control status. Best case scenerio Asuka is acting out Kyoko's suggestions. Worst case scenerio Kyoko literally hijacked Asuka's body. Since Kyoko reactivated herself I'd lean towards the latter. Not really a nice thing for a loving mother to do now is it?

[Reichu]

It was Kyoko. As to why Asuka missed it or whatever, don't look at me!

For the same reason that Asuka didn't notice that EVA-02 was roaring and stuff?

Reichu's idea seems too farfetched to me.

Let's just assume the DIE WITH ME was our imaginations and the scene makes sense.

Why would it be our imaginations?

YThat "I'll kill you" rant was Kyoko talking not Asuka. Hyuga reports bousou or, if you pay attention to Reichu, out of control status.

"Berserk(er)" seems to be the official English rendition (see #07). For whatever reason, she only gets labeled "berserk" after activating with no energy in her reserves -- even though Asuka is still acting 'in sync'. Doesn't bode very well for what was happening earlier...

[Anonymous_Evafan]

Then what the hell was going on there? EVA-02 makes no sense! Yui and Rei I were responsible for all prior "beserk" incidents. Damn my head hurts again.

[Reichu]

Then what the hell was going on there? EVA-02 makes no sense! Yui and Rei I were responsible for all prior "beserk" incidents. Damn my head hurts again.

...Kyoko was responsible for it?

- Finally designated "berserk" after moving without discernible energy supply, although Asuka is still synchronized and behaving as if she were actively piloting.
- EVA-02 does not receive the designation earlier despite exhibiting various signs of bousou status; the only real thing that seems to separate then from later is that she's running on electrical power.

My post was mostly rhetorical musings pointed at other peeps who aren't well-acquainted with the "bridge" theory you've been mentioning as if it were commonly accepted (which it isn't).

[Anonymous_Evafan]

Ah I see, thanks! Now it makes sense when I read it. You had me confused.

[Sailor Star Dust]

So anyone have a nice quality pic of "26 happy Shinji"??

[Mr. Tines]

You still haven't addressed why she wouldn't just drown herself.

She has spent much of her professional life breathing LCL. Could you actually drown in an ocean of it?

His mother she thought was dead.

Too many pronouns without obvious referents for me to decipher.

Shinji figured out Yui had no intention of helping Asuka

I don't see the point where he would have made that leap of intuition. He was very late in getting to the cage, and just gave up because of the bakelite flooding.


Looks like red tinged sky and wholly red sea to me.

Yet in the next scene she had the same rejected posture from the "mind rape".

The kitchen scene, when we revisit Shinji's last and worst foul-up before Asuka tried to kill herself; when her thoughts were on the one she held a torch for.

Shell of her mother?

The half-souled Kyoko of her childhood. This one

Little Asuka : Look at me. Mama, please, don't stop being my mother.
Kyoko : Please, come to heaven with me.

The "straw death" is a Nordic concept, the death of sickness or age. And just an infanticide would have been a straw death.

What Team Sohryu aim for on that fateful day is much more akin to the Samurai concept of living as one already dead. Even without synch, they would, I believe, have been of one mind as they went into battle. With synch, that being of one mind would have been something measurable.

[MaggotMaster]

Reichu's idea seems too farfetched to me.

Let's just assume the DIE WITH ME was our imaginations and the scene makes sense.

Why would it be our imaginations?

Why would WHAT be our imaginations? I think you're imagining things.

I mean, yeah.

[Anonymous_Evafan]

Ok since this back and forth argument is getting nowhere fast let's move right to the Grand Finale!

Makoto:
Destrudo materializing!

Fuyutsuki:
Surely the pilot's ego can't take much more...

As we know from the CI ego is SEELE cover up for A.T. Field.

13. A.T. Field

C. Confidential Information
The throne of the soul is the body, and the A.T. Field is what determines it.
The A.T. Field, or ego (self), is the wall of the heart that separates one
person from another.
People are people because they think of themselves as people.

D. In-Depth Information
The maximum extent of an A.T. Field's expansion is an ego without restriction
(that is to say, a god). Before this can happen, a person's ego collapses and
he reverts to LCL.

So we can swap out ego and swap in A.T. Field.

Makoto:
Destrudo materializing!

Fuyutsuki:
Surely the pilot's A.T. Field can't take much more...

Kinda makes it sound like Shinji is generating his own personal Anti A.T. Field don't it? Something else worth noting once Shinji's destrudo reaches critical levels, after Asuka's spiteful rejection, Lilith's Anti A.T. Field materializes. Destrudo has been irrefutably connected with Shinji's ego collapsing. So what the hell is destrudo? Well you could use google but I've already done that for you.

Destrudo, or Destrado, is the energy of the destructive impulse. It is the opposite of libido. While libido is the urge to create, an energy that arises from the Eros (or "life") drive, destrudo is the urge to destroy both oneself and everything else. Destrudo arises from the Thanatos drive, which also is the source of aggression, and death (in Greek mythology, Thanatos is the god of death).

Destrudo is a lesser-known life force, and is usually ignored in place of more well-known and well-defined theories of human emotion. Destrudo can be traced to Sigmund Freud's attempt to explain the actions of soldiers in World War I.

Yes wikipedia is accurate click on the google link and check if you'd like. Since destrudo collapses ones ego (releases their A.T. Field) there is no way someone laden with destrudo can reembody. I'll quote Gendo here "death creates nothing". To reembody one must embrace it's antithesis, libido. One must have desire to live to come back.

As to what they'd do next, whatever they want.

Changed destrado to destrudo

[Reichu]

Kinda makes it sound like Shinji is generating his own personal Anti A.T. Field don't it?

Are you trying to confuse me or something?

BTW: Don't use that horrible spelling "destrado". It's

DESTRUdo
for
DESTRUction!!!

They even pronounce it "desutoru-do" (with the long "u") in EoE. Does this "a" spelling exist anywhere but in bb's script (and simply proliferated from there)?

A nice summary; I hadn't thought of some things in quite that way. (Or I was mostly thinking the same stuff, but forgot a couple of things.) Some of it seems rather familiar, no? ;) [Have you been reading old ANF posts again?]

<snip> To reembody one must embrace it's antithesis, libido. One must have desire to live to come back.

LIBIDO EMBRACE!!!!!

[Anonymous_Evafan]

Blame wiki for the spelling Destrudo, or Destrado. The 'a' was easier to reach and I was lazy.

[Have you been reading old ANF posts again?]

No I read it awhile ago, long before I ever registered here, you just never got around to a connect-the-dots type post as far as I could tell.

DISCLAIMER this is Reichu's baby!

Are you trying to confuse me or something?

What? If his A.T. Field is being affected an Anti A.T. Field seems logical doesn't it? Materializing destrudo and Lilith's materializing Anti A.T. Field kinda funny that they both materalize isn't it?

[Reichu]

Blame wiki for the spelling Destrudo, or Destrado. The 'a' was easier to reach and I was lazy.

a is under left pinky... u is above right index finger... u is better, typing with pinkies sucks.

Nevermind.

If his A.T. Field is being affected an Anti A.T. Field seems logical doesn't it? Materializing destrudo and Lilith's materializing Anti A.T. Field kinda funny that they both materalize isn't it?

That doesn't mean that they're the same thing. Libido isn't the same as an ATF, so destrudo shouldn't be the same thing as an AATF.

[Anonymous_Evafan]

Ugh, god I suck at conveying messages sometimes! I wasn't saying they were the same thing note the 'kinda'. I was questioning if destrudo is connected to AATF generation, in the same manor libido restores ATF's, ego go bloop and all.

[Reichu]

Libido doesn't restore ATFs. ATFs were restored first, but an "embrace" of libido (vs. a "release" of destrudo) is theoretically necessary for the soul to reembody.

[Anonymous_Evafan]

Libido doesn't restore ATFs. ATFs were restored first, but an "embrace" of libido (vs. a "release" of destrudo) is theoretically necessary for the soul to reembody.

Admits defeat and walks away!

You still haven't addressed why she wouldn't just drown herself.

She has spent much of her professional life breathing LCL. Could you actually drown in an ocean of it?

You don't breathe LCL.

Shinji:
What is this stuff?

RITSUKO:
Don't worry. Once your lungs are filled with LCL,
your blood will be oxygenated directly. You'll get used to it.

They make a big deal about life support more than once.

RITSUKO:
There's not much energy in the internal batteries.
But if Shinji doesn't just flail around with the Eva,
and can hang in there in life support mode,
then he can survive for sixteen hours.

WOMAN (OFF):
Unit 02 has shut down!

WOMAN (OFF):
Life support has developed a problem.

IBUKI (OFF):
Pilot entering a dangerous state!

Then there's the fact that they have a system for rapidly dispersing the LCL once the entry plug has been ejected.

Looks like red tinged sky and wholly red sea to me.

You know the first time I brought up this part of the argument I specifically said in "I need you" and you jumped right to "Goodbye mother", no big deal, but leaving out one of the pics I posted strikes me as a bit odd, and dare I say it extremely biased!

[BobBQ]

You don't breathe LCL.

BULL-SHIT.

[Anonymous_Evafan]

Dude LCL is blood. You don't breathe blood. It's set up to directly oxygenate the pilots blood. In #16 the mention they life support several times.

RITSUKO:
There's not much energy in the internal batteries.
But if Shinji doesn't just flail around with the Eva,
and can hang in there in life support mode,
then he can survive for sixteen hours.
----
Shinji:
Still blank.
No radar or sonar reflections at all. This space must be too big.
It's been twelve hours since I switched to life-support mode.
So my life will end in another four or five hours.
I'm hungry.
----
Shinji:
The water is getting cloudy!
The purification system is giving out.
It stinks in here! Blood! It smells of blood!
No! I don't want to be here! Why can't I open the lock?
Open up! Let me out!
Miss Misato, what's going on?!
Miss Misato! Asuka! Ayanami! Miss Ritsuko!
Father...
Please, someone help me.
----
Shinji:
The heating and the oxygen circulation are already out.
I'm cold.
It's useless, the suit is giving out too.
So this is the end.
I'm tired...
Of it all.

[L.C.L]
The liquid that fills the inside of the entry plug. Viscous in nature and having a blood-like odor, when charged by electricity its molecular arrangement is altered, allowing L.C.L to perform a number of functions such as mentally linking the pilot and the Eva, supplying oxygen, and providing both physical and mental protection to the pilot. This same L.C.L also fills the lowest level of Terminal Dogma where Lilith is kept. Various interpretations have been circulated such as that "L.C.L" is the abbreviation of "Link Connected Liquid", but what it appears to be is the actual "soup of life".

[L.C.L]
When the Eva pilots are inside the Eva, they are protected by an amniotic fluid called L.C.L. Before being electrically charged, L.C.L. is a yellow, viscous fluid that smells like blood. L.C.L. performs a number of functions such as linking the pilot and the Eva, supplying oxygen directly to the lungs, and protecting the pilot from both mental attacks and physical shocks.

[brainDamage]

Right. So we are in agreement that it isn't blood, because it ain't. LCL is not blood. The pilots have to breath it, and it does allow them to get oxygen. It also serves to promote the link twixt' pilot and eva. I don't see the debate. "Life Support Mode" does not prove anything about LCL being blood.