Intresting stuff about Rei, Lilith, and the Sephirotic Tree

[Legend of the Past]

A disucussion with Reichu prompted me to a search in more Hewbreic resoruces about some stuff about Lilim, Lilith and the Tree of Sephiroth. The results were rather intresting.

About Lilith and Lilim: As it turns out, the "Adam's first wife" myth is one of quite a few myths about Lilith. In that myth, Lilith fled from Adam (The reasons are still discussed, but it's about sex or physical attraction, that much seems certain), met the king of Demons, Asmodai, and bore thousands of demons. Those demons are known as Lilim (Male plural)\Lilin (female Plural) or Lili (singular). Her children are commonly reffered to as Lilim because in Hebrew, when speaking of a group, as long as there is a single male, the whole group will be reffered to as male. Lilith's children, the Lilim, are said to constantly hunt Adam's children.

About the Sephirotic Tree of Life: First off, this isn't a tree of life-The Tree of Sephiroth hints towards ways to divinity, of becoming closer to God. (This could be something false, though, so I can't really gurantee this). Another thing that is noteable should be looked upon in this picture, where you see Rei standing in the Malkhuth sphere. Upon research, the results given were:

Malkhuth, also known as 'Residual', is attributed to feminity, and it takes from the Yesod sphere what is given by God and trasfers it into the Physical world. It is not active, but passive, and alone it has nothing, a mere container. This fits the feminine description it gets.

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Of the other side of Divinity, Satan, it is said that he is intresed in 'conquering the Malkhuth', to take over the Divine abundance that will reach the residiual Sphere.'

This is a literal translation, but I think it's fairly intresting to compare it to Rei, who is a figure that is attributed to maternal and feminine features throughout the series.

[Ryousanki King]

Indeed, I've spoken with Reichu on a number of occasions about the Kabbalah and related religious lore. I ought to get that copy of the Zohar sooner or later so I can provide a bit more insight, but off the top of my head I can't think of anything else that you haven't mentioned already.

[Reichu]

I ought to get that copy of the Zohar sooner or later so I can provide a bit more insight

You can always be a cheapskate and go here. (I gotta get myself that CD-ROM...)

[SEELE 08]

Indeed, I've spoken with Reichu on a number of occasions about the Kabbalah and related religious lore. I ought to get that copy of the Zohar sooner or later so I can provide a bit more insight, but off the top of my head I can't think of anything else that you haven't mentioned already.

Sorry I can't say I recomand doing that unless you want to summon the Gnosis. http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/0/0c/190px-Original_Zohar_Xenosaga.jpg

[Reichu]

@SEELE08: :groan:

[Timstuff]

Other versions of the Lilith myth have her marrying Satan, and the Lilim are demons which suffocate young children during their sleep (a supernatural explanation for Sudden Infant Death Syndrom), or in other cases attack and fail (supernatural explanation for night terrors).

In the canological scriptures however, Eve was Adam's only wife, and demons are simply angels who rebelled against God to join Satan. The Lilith myths are suspected to be carried over from older mysticism in various parts of the world and being incorpated into their Jewish practices, and in some cases, Christian groups as well (in certain parts of Europe).

[Legend of the Past]

Other versions of the Lilith myth have her marrying Satan, and the Lilim are demons which suffocate young children during their sleep (a supernatural explanation for Sudden Infant Death Syndrom), or in other cases attack and fail (supernatural explanation for night terrors).

In the canological scriptures however, Eve was Adam's only wife, and demons are simply angels who rebelled against God to join Satan. The Lilith myths are suspected to be carried over from older mysticism in various parts of the world and being incorpated into their Jewish practices, and in some cases, Christian groups as well (in certain parts of Europe).

There are no demons, or fallen Angels for that case, in Judaism, which is why I always thought the Lilith story was sketchy at best. The 'other versions having her marry Satan and giving birth to Children' are the version I mentioned-It was Christinated so you like it.

Sorry I can't say I recomand doing that unless you want to summon the Gnosis. http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/0/0c/190px-Original_Zohar_Xenosaga.jpg

A few monthes ago that would of REALLY pissed me off.

[Reichu]

There are no demons, or fallen Angels for that case, in Judaism, which is why I always thought the Lilith story was sketchy at best. The 'other versions having her marry Satan and giving birth to Children' are the version I mentioned-It was Christinated so you like it.

These legends seem to be primarily apocryphal, AFAIK -- and that includes the Kabbalah stuff -- so they wouldn't fall into the "main" body of Judaism. But there is an incredibly rich storytelling tradition that involves fallen angels and demons, etc., like Christianity, although it has unique features such as Lilith, who never made it into Christian legend.

I think it's all pretty neat stuff. And the Judaic lore > Christian stuff.

[Faußtin]

Indeed. Christianity was made with the usual "Copy->Paste" style. Miserable. Just like the word "Satan". Originaly, it is an arab word, "Shaitan", which means "the enemy of God". They used this word because the church thought that the arab language is impure, unclean. Another miserable thought. And Lucifer means "Lightbriger" in Latin, as you may have already heared. Titles, titles, titles... not a single name.

I've heared a version about why did Lilith and Adam divide. But please, don't take this too serious, because I've read it in a sci-fi book named The Warriors of the Catherdral. So guess why I've said what I said. :roll:

Lilith hated to be under Adam during sex, and when she told this to Adam, he raped her. She then ran to the Red Sea (the one we still have I guess). God then sent three angels to retrieve her: Senoi, Sansenoi and Semangelof. They threatened Lilith that she should return, but Lilith refused and said that she has become unclean/impure (I don't know which one is the better word here), because she layed with demons. The angels threatened that they will kill her if she won't obey, but Lilith reminded them of God's promise that she may decide the faith of the newborn children until the 8th day (the day of circumcision) of the boys and the 20th of the girls. Lilith promised the angels that if she sees a baby with an amulet with their names on it, then she will not harm the child. The angels accepted the bargain, but God punished her, that if she cannot kill a child this way, then she must turn against one of her own.

[Reichu]

Well, rather than resort to paraphrasing from memory, or citations without specific references, perhaps tracking down the original source material would be better... Here is a rather scholarly page that addresses Lilith and her many appearances throughout legend (including Alphabet, of course).