Anime does not equal Japanese cartoons

[delispin25]

I'm serious Akira is technically counted as simply Japanese animation but not anime. God I'm tired of hearing this from people, no one has given me good reason to why I couldn't pickup a pen or pencil and make an anime when someone who is Japanese could do it. I think that just calling it a Japanese cartoon is BULLSHIT, there I said it. You can't sit here and seriously tell me that the only reason why anime is different from other cartoons is because it is from Japan. I do not understand that logic at all! As an artist who is very into anime and manga I think that this idea that anime is simply a Japanese cartoon needs to stop because it is an insult to the creativity of people of other races. The fact that we are really going to sit here at look at me weird when I say it's stupid to call a Japanese cartoon styled like the Simpsons an anime shows that people are being way too rigid. This is just like when people say rap is not music, everybody is being way to rigid and it's pissing me off!

Look, Akira is anime, no matter how you look at it, it is and will always be anime. No one has given you a good reason that you couldn't make anime because, there is none! If you want to draw in an anime like fashion, then knock yourself out. One of my favorite anime series, Cybersix was created by two animation companies, TMS and a Canadian animation studio, but it looks like anime, so it is recognized as an anime. In Japan South Park is anime, why, because animation in Japan, no matter where it is from is called, anime. You sound very bitter, did you realize that you can't become a manga artist in Japan? When I was in my weeaboo stage of anime fandom, I too wanted to make manga in Japan. I know now, that it will never happen. Why would a Japanese person send you (or me) to Japan to do a job a Japanese person could? They wouldn't. Also a Japanese show styled like the Simpsons isn't uncommon. You have to realize where anime came from, it wasn't a Japanese idea. American GI's brought animation over to Japan after WW2 and that is what influenced them. And I think you need to stop being so rigid.

[Xavierla]

Look, Akira is anime, no matter how you look at it, it is and will always be anime. No one has given you a good reason that you couldn't make anime because, there is none! If you want to draw in an anime like fashion, then knock yourself out. One of my favorite anime series, Cybersix was created by two animation companies, TMS and a Canadian animation studio, but it looks like anime, so it is recognized as an anime. In Japan South Park is anime, why, because animation in Japan, no matter where it is from is called, anime. You sound very bitter, did you realize that you can't become a manga artist in Japan? When I was in my weeaboo stage of anime fandom, I too wanted to make manga in Japan. I know now, that it will never happen. Why would a Japanese person send you (or me) to Japan to do a job a Japanese person could? They wouldn't. Also a Japanese show styled like the Simpsons isn't uncommon. You have to realize where anime came from, it wasn't a Japanese idea. American GI's brought animation over to Japan after WW2 and that is what influenced them. And I think you need to stop being so rigid.

That was already resolved earlier in the argument.

It's certainly quite easy to tell that a piece of animation is Japanese most of the time, even (hell often ESPECIALLY) the stuff that looks 'not anime-esque' to a western audience. Things like Mind Game and Dead Leaves are quite overtly Japanese-looking. Same goes for Panty & Stocking; someone familiar with anime should easily spot the "Japaneseness" of the compositions, the movement, everything. It's an obviously Japanese work that just has some Cartoon Network/Nickelodeon-inspired designs. These look 'western' in some ways, sure, but they're still great examples of the uniqueness of anime because they allow you to more easily notice the overtly "anime-esque" elements of something that doesn't use the stock "big eyes, pointy chins" style.

I think this separation between "anime" and "those other cartoons" comes from how anime was marketed in the west by Manga Entertainment and other companies like that. "Like cartoons, but EDGY AND VIOLENT AND MATURE!". The idea that anime is 'different', the 'exotic' aspect, has always been a part of anime's marketing and it led to a lot of silly misconceptions.

I completely agree that is why I see it as being more of a type of cartooning that can be done by anyone however I do agree that it can't really be called an anime unless it is for a Japanese audience. I would love to see a good American animation company make an anime and I would especially love to see a collaboration between an anime company like Gainax with an animation company like Disney. If an american company were to make a company do you think it would turn out weird if they didn't outsource to a Japanese company since they are not Japanese and are not 100% in depth on the Japanese culture.

[Xavierla]

Anime is not a Japanese cartoon. There are a number of reasons for this.

1. The definition of anime being a Japanese cartoon is something Americans attached to the term in the mid 70's when it started reaching towards a wider audience. The Japanese term (which is the correct term given that it originated in Japan) is merely animation. For the Japanese anything animated is anime.

2. Anime is made in other places than Japan. Anime has been made in both Korea and China.

3. Impressionism is not unique to Paris nor is Precisionism unique to America, they simply originated there. The same can be said for anime.

Anime- A cinematic and visual art form that is usually expressed in Japanese animated productions and also refers to animation in general amongst the Japanese which usually consists of exaggerated, surrealistic expressions of pop art in order to represent and sometimes mock realism and modern pop culture.

[A.T. Fish]

Looks familiar.

thread/13705/Anime-does-not-equal-japanese-cartoons/

[Xavierla]

Looks familiar.

thread/13705/Anime-does-not-equal-japanese-cartoons/

This is a response to my original statement.

[Oz]

You are just rotating the same shit over and over again. Why make a comeback after 8 months? Just let it go.

[Blue Monday]

This is a response to my original statement.

There's this Australian anime I think you should check out.
It's really neat.

[Fireball]

Oh god he is back

[caragnafog dog]

the simpsons is the best thing to come out of korea by a wide margin

[Bagheera]

The links in this post tell us pretty much everything we need to know about the subject. I don't think there's much left to talk about in light of that.

[Xavierla]

You are just rotating the same shit over and over again. Why make a comeback after 8 months? Just let it go.

to make my point.

[Bagheera]

to make my point.

No one bought it before. Nothing's changed. You're wasting your time.

[Oz]

to make my point.

There was no misunderstanding of your point before and there is none now. We already spent a couple of pages arguing the same things so just let it go.

[Xavierla]

There was no misunderstanding of your point before and there is none now. We already spent a couple of pages arguing the same things so just let it go.

I can't just do that, I'm right. None of you has taken anything I have said in account.

[schwarzstahlhelm1993]

is like saying that if the Japanese were to make a cartoon like the Simpsons it could be considered anime and I don't think this is the case.

Oh, but it would be, by the Japanese. Not to mention that the designs would be manga style anyway.

[The Killer of Heroes]

I can't just do that, I'm right. None of you has taken anything I have said in account.

Just out of curiosity, what do you think the definition of "anime" is?

[riffraff11235]

Just out of curiosity, what do you think the definition of "anime" is?

Anime- A cinematic and visual art form that is usually expressed in Japanese animated productions and also refers to animation in general amongst the Japanese which usually consists of exaggerated, surrealistic expressions of pop art in order to represent and sometimes mock realism and modern pop culture.

[The Killer of Heroes]

Wow, I somehow missed that whole post.

I like how he describes it as an art consisting of pop-art. And realistic sometimes and not other times.

[Bagheera]

I can't just do that, I'm right.

No, you're not. You're completely wrong -- for the Japanese "Anime" refers to any animated work, and for everyone else it refers to Japanese animation made for a Japanese audience. That's it. That's how the term is used in Japan and abroad. Your attempt to limit it to a particular style of work is bullshit since that's not how the term is used either in Japan or out.

Your opinion on the matter has no bearing on how the term is actually used. Stop arguing based on how you think things ought to be and start looking at reality.

[bobbyfischer's ghost]

This is just one big exercise in futility.

I can't believe this has gone on for four pages.