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Postby Tsuki No Nagisa » Sat Oct 29, 2011 2:20 pm

In my point of view , kaworu can't have clons walking like Rei's 1 2 and 3

Because they can look like the same but their different persons with different personalities

I think that the only time kaworu clons where shown is on the eva series plugs , and they aren't even persons as especified by ritsuko "Body's without soul" , just for the dummy plug they aren't living beings

plus kaworu is adam's salvaged soul , an angel , his body is just some random persons body who is now kaworu's

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Postby Allemann » Sat Oct 29, 2011 3:32 pm

There is no technology that the Japanese Nerv branch has and Seele doesn't. Kaworu's resuscitation, if Seele wanted it, is possible.

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Postby Tsuki No Nagisa » Sat Oct 29, 2011 5:16 pm

View Original PostAllemann wrote:There is no technology that the Japanese Nerv branch has and Seele doesn't. Kaworu's resuscitation, if Seele wanted it, is possible.


ikr. but why would he want to die?

he has adam's soul on him , how can they revive him?
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Postby Allemann » Sat Oct 29, 2011 5:44 pm

They revive him probably with a similar process with which Rei was revived.

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Postby AuraTwilight » Sun Oct 30, 2011 2:05 am

ikr. but why would he want to die?


Because he and Humanity can't both live, and we wanted to live more than he did, so he decided to surrender for our sake.

he has adam's soul on him , how can they revive him?


Rei's clones are soulless vessels. Presumably any Kaworu clones would be too.
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Postby Kendrix » Sun Oct 30, 2011 4:31 am

Also, it would be very stupid of SEELE to revive someone who is both insanely powerful and would have a reason to be very pissed at them since they betrayed him and quite obviously planned to send him to his death.
Of course, Kaworu's not the vengeful type, but they're paranoid, and... what use would it be to them to bring him back, exactly?
Their plan requires him dead.

They probably DO have an aquarium full of clones, tough.


Also, note the difference that Rei is phisically mostly a human with a little Angel material while Kaworu is a full Angel who simply looks like a human, or , if you go by the theory that he was spawned by the inserting-human-DNA-into-Adam experiment, (Which may or may not have been confirmed by Rebuild creating VERY disturbing Fridge logic for ep 24) mostly an Angel with a little human material.
The "mix ratio" is quite different - that might or might not make a difference.
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Postby Allemann » Sun Oct 30, 2011 7:48 am

View Original PostKendrix wrote:Rei is phisically mostly a human with a little Angel material while Kaworu is a full Angel who simply looks like a human


They're both identical in their physical. They have souls of each Seed of Life and their bodies are made of particle-wave matter.

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Postby Tsuki No Nagisa » Sun Oct 30, 2011 12:18 pm

View Original PostAuraTwilight wrote:Rei's clones are soulless vessels. Presumably any Kaworu clones would be too.


Yeah so in the end , kaworu can't be back

Well in the manga he had no choice and 1.died with the 3rd impact,or 2. died in nerv , in the final he had to die.

they have yui's D.N.A , to make more Rei's ,but kaworu is adam and an angel in human form , i don't get how they can make another kaworu.

maybe the only clones that exist are the ones for the plugs (like Rei)
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Postby AuraTwilight » Sun Oct 30, 2011 2:59 pm

SEELE was taking care of Kaworu for like fifteen years, getting a DNA sample shouldn't be hard.
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Postby Tsuki No Nagisa » Tue Nov 01, 2011 2:36 pm

View Original PostKendrix wrote:Also, it would be very stupid of SEELE to revive someone who is both insanely powerful and would have a reason to be very pissed at them since they betrayed him and quite obviously planned to send him to his death.


Yeah , but, kaworu was the one who betrayed them.
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Postby Trajan » Tue Nov 01, 2011 2:44 pm

When taking into account that Kaworu was likely "born" when the donor's DNA was inserted into Adam, it's very likely that SEELE has all sorts of his genetic material.
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Postby Allemann » Tue Nov 01, 2011 2:46 pm

The MP Evas' dummy plugs are based on him, so obviously.

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Postby Sachi » Tue Nov 01, 2011 2:58 pm

View Original PostTsuki No Nagisa wrote:Yeah , but, kaworu was the one who betrayed them.

There's a little confusion over who betrayed who. The original aired version of 24 would have us think that Kaworu betrayed Seele, but some extra footage in the Director's Cut of that same episode muddies the water a bit.

I don't see any reason to believe that there wouldn't be a stock of Kaworu clones within Seele's possession. The problem is about whether or not they would have wanted to clone Kaworu after episode 24, and if it would have been possible for them since Kaworu's soul is then meandering about Terminal Dogma and out of reach of Seele.
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Postby Trajan » Tue Nov 01, 2011 3:34 pm

Considering neither trusted the other, who betrayed who is a moot point.
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Postby Tsuki No Nagisa » Tue Nov 01, 2011 9:37 pm

View Original PostTrajan wrote:When taking into account that Kaworu was likely "born" when the donor's DNA was inserted into Adam, it's very likely that SEELE has all sorts of his genetic material.


Wasn't he born in the process of second impact?

(don't know that much still the manga hasn't released new chapter)
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Postby Alaska Slim » Tue Nov 01, 2011 10:12 pm

View Original PostTsuki No Nagisa wrote:Wasn't he born in the process of second impact?

He was born out of the first contact experiment. 2nd impact occurred later, and partially as a result of the former.
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Postby Fireand'chutes77 » Wed Nov 02, 2011 8:33 am

View Original PostAlaska Slim wrote:He was born out of the first contact experiment. 2nd impact occurred later, and partially as a result of the former.

Though in this case, "later" seems to be on the order of minutes.
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Postby Tsuki No Nagisa » Fri Nov 04, 2011 3:22 pm

View Original PostAlaska Slim wrote:He was born out of the first contact experiment. 2nd impact occurred later, and partially as a result of the former.


Yeah, So the "donor" of the body made the contact experiment?

or he was there..i still don't get it
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Postby AuraTwilight » Sat Nov 05, 2011 2:33 pm

SOMEONE inserted their DNA into Adam. Maybe they were there, maybe they weren't. If the person was required to be there, it's likely that donor was Dr. Katsuragi, Misato's father.

If the person didn't need to be there and they just shoved in a DNA sample, I like to think it was Gendo, so that Kaworu's parallelism with Rei is completed full-circle.
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Postby Aozora » Mon Nov 07, 2011 6:44 pm

Hm, I don't know that there is a tank of clones for Kaworu like there is for Rei. Gendo was trying to keep Rei a secret, wasn't he (trying to hide that she died in ep 23, not letting Seele interogate her)?
The dummy plug system is based on digital souls, not soulless bodies. So the dummy plugs in EoE with Kaworu written on the side aren't an indication that there are Kaworu clones.


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