Episode 19 / Toji's "dream"

[Bagheera]

Interesting thoughts but why not Hell Train/Quantum Rei being Rei 3-Lilith as the common line of thinking goes?

Because a) it's not necessary and b) she's asking about things she should already know as of EoE.

Rei is not quantum, and never was. She's just telepathic, like many of the Angels before her. "Ascended Rei" is a freakin' ghost, all of her uber went to Yui.

Edit: Also, nice argument OMF. We don't often see eye to eye on things but I think you're on target here.

[beyond]

Pfffff, why are you trying to give a rational explanation to something like this?
It is like making a thread where you examine how ramiel manages to float.

This (magnificent) scene simply exists to give us a bitter remark on how people sometimes would view someone else's inner conflicts if they were exposed to them. That shot where we see Shinji from Toji's point of view is excruciatingly real. In just those 2 seconds it gives us a taste of this distance between human beings more than all the proclamations of said distance they could fit into the one and a half hour of EoE.

As for Rei, obviously she didn't set this up with her psychic powers. She can't dream, that's all. That's what the dialogue with Asuka was about. And the important thing is that Rei, even though she knows conceptually what a dream is, acts surprised when Asuka mentions dreams. As if she has knowledge of something that manifests in her brain in a similar way to experience but not actual experience of that thing.

[AuraTwilight]

Pfffff, why are you trying to give a rational explanation to something like this?
It is like making a thread where you examine how ramiel manages to float.

I'm pretty sure we have a thread on this exact topic. Have you forgotten where you are, sir?

[robersora]

In my opinion the hell train symbolises inner conflict due to situations you cannot avoid or change. Thus a train; it runs on tracks always going after a specified direction. So to me it is not strange that Toji has his hell train sequence; to me it symbolises nothing that particularly addresses Shinji alone, but all the people in a dilemma in the Eva-Universe.

[Bagheera]

In my opinion the hell train symbolises inner conflict due to situations you cannot avoid or change. Thus a train; it runs on tracks always going after a specified direction. So to me it is not strange that Toji has his hell train sequence; to me it symbolises nothing that particularly addresses Shinji alone, but all the people in a dilemma in the Eva-Universe.

That would work if Touji was the center of attention there, but he wasn't. He was an observer, and Shinji was the center of attention. That means it kinda was Shinji's thing.

[robersora]

That would work if Touji was the center of attention there, but he wasn't. He was an observer, and Shinji was the center of attention. That means it kinda was Shinji's thing.

Well to me it always seemed like that although he briefly was part of Shinji's struggle, after the Angel Attack he was forced to become an observer again, which is why he seems to snap out of the sequence in a rather abrupt way.

[Tumbling Down]

I don't want to start a new thread for this, so, uhhh, I'll assume this is the general Episode 19 thread.

It says the phone disconnects for "security purposes" while Kensuke is talking to Shinji. Whaaaa? I don't get it. All Kensuke was doing was lamenting that he wasn't an Eva pilot.

[Sorrow]

I took it to mean that he was now officially an outsider, but not quite on the outside. He is going to be monitored and followed even if he's no longer part of NERV; because he has inside information and so is not at liberty to casually discuss anything to do with the Evangelions or NERV.

It's also a reminder that NERV will constantly be there - regardless if he walks away and refuses to pilot.

Having just browsed the episode: In the very next scene after the phone call Misato even tells him he will have a lot of restrictions on his activities now.

[ObsessiveMathsFreak]

To come back to the main discussion, this additional security -- Shinji is whisked off to Gendo -- might be an indication that Rei is not allowed to visit Shinji. Perhaps Asuka has only looked in the door, or at a chart, or was informed by someone else.