NME's Second Impact and Post-2I Effect

[Sachi]

Alright, so I looked for a bit, and I couldn't find any other threads on the subject (then again, I didn't look very hard), but here I go.

So, as we can tell by simply looking, the effects of Second Impact in the new movies is vastly different than in the original series. Instead, this time the oceans became blood red, and a rainbow thing expanded from the point of impact. Just like what almost happened with Unit-01 at the end of 2.0. However, my questions is regarding a certain detail within the rainbow ring.

When we see the flashback to Second Impact during Shinji and Kaji's conversation at the aquarium, we see the explosion and the a large black orb (the Black Moon?) being pushed from the Earth. But we also see four crosses coming out with it.


Just what the hell are these crosses? Somehow I'm not inclined to believe that they are the four Lances we see a few shots later.

Earlier in the movie, during Gendo and Fuyutsuki's trip to the moon, they look down at the site of Second Impact, where the rainbow ring still is. If you look closely, there's still four crosses sticking out.


Anybody have any possible explanations/theories as to what those things might be?

[Legendary]

My theory is that each black cross corresponds to an Adam from 2I. In fact, I bet this is 100% fact. But I do not know WHY they are there.

[child of Lilith]

It looks like an old ELO LP cover.

[AuraTwilight]

The Moon colors are inverted just to fuck with us: The crosses are just energy manifestations to represent the four Adams. The rainbows represent the signing of the Convenant with Lilith. The red oceans is a biblical metaphor. Mari is a FAR.

[Podferio]

@AuraTwilight
I've been reading about this for a while but don't know what it meant. What exactly does "signing of the Covenant with Lilith" mean?

...Mari is a FAR.

o.O?

[SaltyJoe]

What exactly does "signing of the Covenant with Lilith" mean?

In both 1.0 and 2.0, Gendo and Seele mention a covenant/contract with Lilith.

In the Old Testament, the rainbow is identified as a sign of the covenant with God:

And the bow shall be in the cloud; and I will look upon it, that I may remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that is upon the earth.

Also, i'm starting to think that the Black Moon that can be seen during this version of Second Impact isn't a sign of souls being harvested, but rather that it somehow contains the body of Eva-06, and it somehow crashed into the Moon.

[Joseph the PRPD]

I think the four crosses are the four Adams unleashing energy or a powerful explosion going off in their location.

[Azathoth]

I think the four crosses are the four Adams unleashing energy or a powerful explosion going off in their location.

But they're still there, nearly fifteen years later...and they don't seem like glowy crossplosions, but like physical objects.

[Jinroh]

Maybe those four crosses are giant longinus lances (or some other device) empaling the adams?

It seems that this impact was "frozen", and could have obliterated all life on earth is not stopped.

It would be quite different from Evangelion's limited second impact.

[Shogo-Kun]

I have one thing to say....

[NatTheWriter]

I have one thing to say....

I am curious. What might that be?

[Shogo-Kun]

TASTE THE RAINBOW, MOTHERFUCKER!!

[MugwumpHasNoLiver]

Well, seeing as how the physical crosses physical resemble the Tree of Life from EoE and Fuyutski was on about some shit about a "land purged of sin", my guess is that the rainbow area covers something akin to a new Garden of Eden, which is where the Biblical Tree of Life and Knowledge grew. Basically, whatever happened during NME's Second Impact, the result was a new Garden of Eden. I don't have a clue as to why there are four, probably some arcane and esoteric symbolism, which Anno is making a point to actually mean something. Only time will tell if he succeeds.

[AuraTwilight]

Oh god there's going to be four Fruits this time. Fffffff-

[Azathoth]

I don't have a clue as to why there are four, probably some arcane and esoteric symbolism, which Anno is making a point to actually mean something.

No need for anything arcane and esoteric. Four Adams at Second Impact? Four Children (not counting Kaworu...I'm talking about the "Children chosen by fate" thing here)? A connection between the two? <--hint: i really, really think so

And the Garden of Eden thing supposedly happened in NGE as well; Fuyutsuki referred to Antarctica as a land free of sin then, too. Only in NGE it didn't have four crosses and more gay pride than San Francisco.

[carla]

I don't have a clue as to why there are four, probably some arcane and esoteric symbolism, which Anno is making a point to actually mean something.

isn't the number four somehow associated with death in Japanese culture (among others)? something about the kanji being read as "shi," which is also a way to read the kanji for "death."

oh, were you looking for an in-story explanation? 'cause, yeah, i definitely don't have that...

[MugwumpHasNoLiver]

And the Garden of Eden thing supposedly happened in NGE as well; Fuyutsuki referred to Antarctica as a land free of sin then, too. Only in NGE it didn't have four crosses and more gay pride than San Francisco.

Another difference to take note of is that in NGE, Gendo and Fuyutski actually went there. Of course, Fuyutski also referred to it as a "dead sea". Speaking of which, does anyone in NME say exactly what happened during Second Impact? In particular, does anyone mention that juicy quote about "exterminating all life down to the microorganisms" that the original had? If they do, you can all just ignore me. I think that if what I'm saying holds any water, the South Pole in NME will be quite the opposite of a dead sea: a lush paradise from which all the angels are spawned. A more literal Eden. Of course, we can't see it because of all the rainbows in the air make a pretty good cloak. And it presumably can't be attacked for some inane reason. Probably something about purity, or maybe it's too risky and will instantly cause Third Impact. Maybe it's surrounded by a massive AT Field, or it's illegal because of a sub-section in SEELE'S Contract with Lilith "NO ATTACK SOUTH POLE".

[AuraTwilight]

No need for anything arcane and esoteric. Four Adams at Second Impact? Four Children (not counting Kaworu...I'm talking about the "Children chosen by fate" thing here)? A connection between the two? <--hint: i really, really think so

And the Garden of Eden thing supposedly happened in NGE as well; Fuyutsuki referred to Antarctica as a land free of sin then, too. Only in NGE it didn't have four crosses and more gay pride than San Francisco.

I'm calling it now. Just like how people thought EoE ended with Adam and Eve, Rebuild will end with Adam and Steve. He's going to make you happy, Shinji-kun.

[SaltyJoe]

I think that if what I'm saying holds any water, the South Pole in NME will be quite the opposite of a dead sea: a lush paradise from which all the angels are spawned. A more literal Eden.

Angel-land? Reichu would be beyond happy.

[Hyper Shinchan]

Another difference to take note of is that in NGE, Gendo and Fuyutski actually went there. Of course, Fuyutski also referred to it as a "dead sea".

It was just my thinking but I noted that they seem to be inside the ship the whole time and they mention that it was possible for them to be there thanks to the power of the "SCIENCE"; a local modification of the atmosphere (as well of the sea) is also mentioned, but everything is even harder to explain compared to the NME; in the Rebuild there could be an anti AT field that make that land untouchable and pure but what are the cause of those modifications in the original series are beyond my imagination.
P.S.: I tried to make a thread about the Second Impact but it didn't seem to catch anyone's attention, it could be because of my ugly English.