Shin-seiki wrote:While I am willing to concede that your ideas concerning libido/destrudo have some significant role in what we see going on in 3I, I still think that you're going a little overboard in minimizing the (to my mind paramount) role of the Anti-ATF:
Well, come on, I can't keep EVERY important line from the show present in my head all the time. ;)
Perhaps destrudo & libido are intimately tied to ATFs -- it's just adding a fourth component to the whole soul/ATF/body mess. So, the resemblance of those two graphs I posted on the other forum could very well be intentional after all. Eh? Eh? One of Anno's random subtle hints about yet another unimportant matter only geeks care about.
I still have no idea what the deal with the Gauf crap is. Ritsuko's speech in #23 still largely makes no sense to me -- bits and pieces of it do, but the fact that she sandwiches that stuff about 2I, Adam, and Evas in between a rant about the dummy system seems like a complete non sequitor. Why the hell does she jump from one subject to the other and then right back? She says that all of the Evas' souls are 'salvaged' (which in NGE seems to refer to at least two different things) and then says something about Rei being the only vessel that holds a soul. Uhhh... The Evas can obviously hold souls; isn't that what you just said? What the hell is she talking about? That Rei holds the souls that were salvaged into the Evas?
But back on topic, how does Gauf's Room figure into what Ritsuko is saying (whatever the hell that is)?
If you want to say that the Black Moon = Gauf's Room as the source of (and, via a successful Instrumentality, the final destination of) the souls of the Lilim, then I suppose the White Moon would be a Gauf's Room in its own right. Since before 2I they speak of the doors to the Room opening -- well, I suppose this, in its own vague way, lends credence to the idea that the Angels originated when Adam 'woke up' and went ballistic. (Speaking of which, I'm starting to forget the argument pro and con "Angels Were Born At 2I"... SOMEthing must have convinced me to abandon the idea at one point.)
Just to go off the deep end here, perhaps "Gauf's Room was empty" refers to all of the souls that were originally packaged inside the Black Moon and made available to Lilim (I'm using the term to refer to all carbon-based life -- all Lilith spawn, after all) being somehow 'used up'. Rei and the Evas, being artificial constructs, are created out of the natural order of things and could not get souls normally -- they had to get them from preexisting entities. If the Room is empty, then, how do naturally born creatures get souls? I'm guessing we probably don't want to go there, although I have some strange ideas on the matter...
Also, what is going on with the souls in 3I? Are they channeled through GNR into the Black Moon or something? (Because the Moon is apparently their final destination...) If this is so, it doesn't seem to make much sense that, when GNR starts disintegrating, we can see red dots spouting out of her body (her neck, I believe), as if some souls never quite made it to the Moon.
), then the week before Christmas in London, Christmas itself with my cousin in Milton Keynes, New Years with my other cousin in Liverpool, then back down to Nottingham in the beginning of January to finish exams! Once I get my exams finish I am officially kicked out of University once and for all, so I'll have two full months to do nothing except participate in Eva discussions... well that and try and get a job here before my visa expires 
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C'mon guys. Guph is a hollow or empty body, a shell - commonly used in the Qabbalah to signify the human physical body, whether alive or dead.
