Spear of Destiny

[zephyr72]

What are the origins of the spear of destiny in the context of Evangelion. Is it a product of science or was it found with the dead sea scrolls or what. I know that the spear of destiny was, historically, the lance that pierced Jesus.

[Reichu]

There is no "Spear of Destiny" of NGE.

There is, however, a Spear of Longinus that has virtually nothing in common with the thing it's named after...

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[zephyr72]

According to legend, the Holy Lance (also known as the Spear of Destiny, Holy Spear, Lance of Longinus, or Spear of Longinus) is the lance that pierced Jesus while he was on the cross. The Biblical account itself does not give a name to the spear, nor does it otherwise support the legends surrounding this artifact. - From a google search

anyway, is there anything on the origin of the thing in the show?

[Master]

According to legend, the Holy Lance (also known as the Spear of Destiny, Holy Spear, Lance of Longinus, or Spear of Longinus) is the lance that pierced Jesus while he was on the cross. The Biblical account itself does not give a name to the spear, nor does it otherwise support the legends surrounding this artifact. - From a google search

anyway, is there anything on the origin of the thing in the show?

I've read that all the great near rulers of the world (ex. Hitler) had the Lance at one time, but once you have the lance and you part with it you die somehow. They have it in the Keneu Reeves movie "Constintine" I know its spelled wrong. Sue me.

[Reichu]

According to legend, the Holy Lance (also known as the Spear of Destiny, Holy Spear, Lance of Longinus, or Spear of Longinus) is the lance that pierced Jesus while he was on the cross. The Biblical account itself does not give a name to the spear, nor does it otherwise support the legends surrounding this artifact. - From a google search

The thing in the show is not the Christian artifact -- it is just named after it. Thus, identifying NGE's Spear of Longinus by any of its namesakes' other monikers is highly erroneous. This would be like calling NGE's Lilith "the Queen of Demons".

anyway, is there anything on the origin of the thing in the show?

Adam was exhumated with the Spear impaling her (through the chest a la Lilith later). The Spear can change forms, be "copied" (read: cloned), and has been known to roar on one occasion, and the copies explode into orangey glop. It seems quite alive, and of the same unearthly origins as Adam and Lilith -- which, although not spoonfed to the audience in the show, is colorfully confirmed in a certain infamous extratextual source.

[Master]

I swear that I heard a refrence to it being the spear that peirced crist side in the show, or I was high. Which was probilty the case.

[Anonymous_Evafan]

I swear that I heard a refrence to it being the spear that peirced crist side in the show, or I was high. Which was probilty the case.

You were high, which probably isn't something you want to go around telling people.THERE IS NO CHRISTIAN MEANING TO NGE!

[zephyr72]

i could have sworn i saw "spear of destiny" as one of the subtitles while watching the show.

edit: not that it matters, i was just asking if there is an origin to the lance in the show.

[Master]

See I am not alone. It had to be between episods 1-23 to narrow it down more would ruin the fun and cause me to think.

[Anonymous_Evafan]

Dude WTF? Where did you get your sub and HAVE YOU BEEN PAYING ATTENTION TO THIS FORUM AT ALL? Here I'll help you just because.

at the Otakon anime convention held in 2001, assistant director Kazuya Tsurumaki (who was the director of The End of Evangelion: Episode 25' Air - while Anno personally undetook The End of Evangelion: Episode 26' Sincerely Yours and acted as Chief Director) was asked directly what relvance Christianity had to Evangelion. This was his reply:

Tsurumaki: There are a lot of giant robot shows in Japan, and we did want our story to have a religious theme to help distinguish us. Because Christianity is an uncommon religion in Japan we thought it would be mysterious. None of the staff who worked on Eva are Christians. There is no actual Christian meaning to the show, we just thought the visual symbols of Christianity look cool. If we had known the show would get distributed in the US and Europe we might have rethought that choice.

22. The Spear of Longinus

A. Publicly Released Information

Data unavailable.

B. Generally Recognized Information

It was found in the White Moon with Adam at the South Pole. In essence, the Spear of Longinus is a security device that comes as a set with a Seed of Life.

C. Confidential Information

It is a spear which has a will and is a type of lifeform capable of moving by itself. This is an item close to a god and thus able to put a Seed of Life
(Progenitor Entity), who holds the power of eternal life, into suspended
animation, and this is the reason why the Seed of Life (Progenitor Entity) does not reach god-status. The First Ancestral Race prepared this as a counter-measure in the event that a Seed of Life (Progenitor Entity) did not follow their own goals.

It is thought that a Spear acting as Lilith's counterpart was separated from
her by the shock at the time of First Impact. This Spear has yet to be found. There is a chance that it may have been destroyed.

D. In-Depth Information

For the purpose of opening the Path to Divinity, Gendo and Seele brought
Lilith's growth to a point just before the final stage, and to temporarily
delay this they are having Nerv transport the Spear of Longinus that was paired with Adam.

[zephyr72]

i know that the damn show isn't a Christian show; i just didn't know where the lance in the show came from. Yes, i have been paying attention to the forum and i received my answers already. I just was trying to clear up whatever misunderstandings my statements may have caused. In the meantime, you don't have to be a dick about the whole thing.

[Anonymous_Evafan]

All of this has been posted I don't know how many times. I know you've been around and should have seen it all. Forums have a search functions to look things up. Try that next time instead of rehashing something as constant rehashes get really annoying. All I can tell you is sarcasm used by others has rubbed off on me and this is the after effect, don't take it entirely serious.

[Reichu]

I think this thread has served its purpose.