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Postby Asukaner117 » Thu Dec 14, 2017 3:13 pm

i was extremely disappointed by this movie. i feel that the triumph of the rebels in the OT was meaningless because now all that is left of the republic is a handful of people and somehow the Imperium/First Order is still seemingly almighty with indefinite resources. yet, from a military standpoint, the first order is hilariously incompetent, and the reason for that is that the plot NEEDS them to be incompetent because of the weak story.

the only part i liked was when Snoke delivered that sick burn to Kylo for wearing this stupid mak for no reason other then being edgy. r/murderedbywords material right there.
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Postby Guy Nacks » Fri Dec 15, 2017 2:29 am

Without reading any reviews or any opinions in this thread, here are my opinions of the film having just gotten out of it about an hour ago:

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-Snoke snuffing it was the most unexpected thing in the film. After hyping him up from the previous film to be the overall "bad guy Emperor-like" character (Darth Plagueis????) in this new series, him getting bested by fucking Kylo Ren was not something I would have thought would happen in the film. If he's not going to be the overall villain character in this series then is it simply Kylo Ren?

-Leia confirmed bisexual. Noice.

-I'm 100% anticipating a timeskip of at least 5 years for the next film. Whereas TFA left a lot of open ends that seemed to necessitate resolution in a relatively short timespan, this movie has a more closed ending. The Resistance is severely decimated and has no chance of going against the First Order in their current state. They need time to build up their forces. Kylo Ren seems about to go all Caligula and assert himself as the de facto leader of the First Order now that Snoke is gone. None of the other characters really have loose ends. The next film is gonna have much more of a blank slate to start from, it seems.

-Han was the primary character to interact with Kylo ren in TFA. IN this film, it was Luke. Episode XIX, it was said, after Carrie Fisher's death, was going to feature her heavily in an important role. It is all but assured that she was going to be the one to have a face-to-face confrontation with her son and try to get him to turn back to the Light Side, since she is now the only close family he has not had a direct interaction with yet in this series. I do not count the section near the beginning with them sensing each other's presence. Since Fisher is gone, and they're not gonna recreate her with CGI (which they shouldn't do anyway) it's all but assured that Rey is gonna be the one who will have to turn him back.

-I was disappointed that Luke didn't go more in depth about who the Jedi are and why he's become so disillusioned by them. What was written in those books? Why was he so adamant at the beginning of teh film that the Jedi had to end? Was it simply because he was tempted to kill Ben Solo because he sensed great Dark energy in him? There must have been more to it than that. Just shouting that they were hypocritical failures doesn't really cut it.

-The visuals for the climax of the space battle where Laura Dern hyperjumps the freighter into the Super Star Destroyer were amazing.

-I could not remember the name of the female asian character who fangirled around Finn.

-Phasma is Back For The Dead, and nothing of value was lost.

-So...did Luke have a heart attack on the cliff or was he just spent? Because that double subversion of him appearing to die from blaster fire and him appearing to be sliced in half by Kylo Ren, only for him to just have been revealed to be projecting himself lightyears across the universe and die as a result of that seemed random. I had no emotional reaction to him fading away. It was kinda like, "Huh?" If he truly is "dead", then this is the second time that they've had the death of a main franchise character where I have almost no emotional response to it, even moreso this time because if Luke IS dead, he's just gonna come back as a Force ghost in the next film.

-Kylo says that Rey's parents were just junkers and no one significant. We know that Kylo isn't the most reliable source of information, so is he correct or isn't he?


I may have more thoughts after I see it again and after reading other people's reactions to the film, but as of right now my overall impression is that it had some interesting ideas, but failed to execute many of them to my full satisfaction. The visuals and battle scenes were good, as always, but I'm feeling like, although it had a long runtime, it just needed MORE.

7/10.
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Postby Sailor Star Dust » Fri Dec 15, 2017 5:55 pm

View Original PostGuy Nacks wrote:as of right now my overall impression is that it had some interesting ideas, but failed to execute many of them to my full satisfaction. The visuals and battle scenes were good, as always, but I'm feeling like, although it had a long runtime, it just needed MORE.


This was pretty much my thoughts after seeing it today. (We'll do a rewatch soon-ish.)

Interesting ideas, but the film aside, I'm somewhat worn down with SO MUCH Star Wars every year, now. The magic is lost by doing that. (I did enjoy Rogue One, but....still.)

Mark Hamill's thoughts on his unhappiness about the direction Luke took was interesting (there's no spoilers): http://mashable.com/2017/12/13/rian-joh ... last-jedi/
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Postby C.T.1290 » Sat Dec 16, 2017 6:43 pm

I'm starting to think that Star Wars was having a bit of an EVA sort of theme to it in regarding the characters. For example, Rey seems to suffer from an abandonment issue, Luke running away from his problem instead of confronting it, Kylo Ren obviously having some pent up anger in him, along with a feeling of worthlessness and maybe some self-hatred similar to Asuka, and Finn, in the first film, attempting to run away from the First Order instead of confronting them, at least up until towards the end of the film. And now with the new film leaving us with some unanswered questions, such as who Snoke was or who Reys parents were.

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In the middle of the film, that scene where Rey went down this water hole and saw numerous versions of herself all lined up is very similar to that one episode were we saw all the Reis lined up and that part in EoE were Shinji begins his confrontation with Asuka at the start of the pre Instrumentality sequence. And also the part where Poe was told not to take any action was very like how Misato treated Shinji in Q when she told him "you won't be doing anything".


I really enjoyed it. And I'm waiting to see where the next one will take off.
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Postby Chuckman » Sat Dec 16, 2017 8:32 pm

Saw it today.

Adam Driver and Daisy Ridley carry this movie. Everyone is great but they're standouts, and every scene they share is gold. It's amazing they perform so well acting beside the established actors that are passing them the torch.

What I liked about this movie is that it takes the events of Empire and plays with them, in the way that Terminator 2 plays with the plot of The Terminator. It knows it's a sequel and uses that a strength rather than a crutch, as the first entry in this modern trilogy did.

What I disliked is twofold: The scripts do not live up to the performances, effects, and even direction. They're lazily plotted and the writers behind these movies don't know how to drop things that are really cool but just make things weird. These movies have also killed any sense of scale in the setting. The galaxy doesn't feel like a huge place.

I also feel that the interesting stories take place before Episode VII and between VII and VIII. VIII is a good movie and I enjoyed it in the theater, but it has serious pacing problems.

The other thing I'm iffy on is the visual style. When Abrams directed Star Trek, people accused him of making Star Trek look like Star Wars. Someone who's seen Star Trek could accuse Abrams (whose style has become a house style for these movies) of making Star Wars look like Star Trek. In reality what he does is make everything look like a J J Abrams movie and he's stamped himself on Star Wars now. It doesn't ruin them movies or anything but it works against the grain of the works as whole, giving them a fine layer of "not star wars ness" sprinked on top that undermines them a bit.

The other Abrams-ism that creeps into Star Wars is that VII/VIII are both Star Wars movies that are about Star Wars in the way that the JJ Trek films are about Star Trek. In fact, Episode VIII takes the same tack as Into Darkness for part of the film- it holds up the ideals of the original Star Wars and compares them to modern society. This isn't really a huge negative in itself -the three Star Wars trilogies reflect the times in which they were created, in an intriguing way- but the way it's handled is fairly ham-handed in a long sequence that doesn't do much but pad the run time and doesn't fit with the overall feel of the movie.

There's so much good in this movie that it feels like nitpicks to say all this.

Driver and Ridley have amazing chemistry and this movie feels like a real passing of the torch. It's become their story.

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Good:

-Kylo and Rey's relationship
-Performances
-Effects
-Porgs
-Luke Skywalker's farewell
-Laura Dern channeling Commander Worf
-The Snoke stuff
-Rey's parents are just nobody
-Kylo's character development and motivations

Bad:

-Superfluous and hamfisted casino world sequence that kills the sense of suspense in the chase plot. It feels weird to segue from a tense space-naval-battle ala Wrath of Khan into Casino Royale with a plot that isn't really a plot (Finn and Rose don't grow or change or even make a series of choices through any of this, they serve as a foil to another character)

-Tendency to forget its toys when it's not playing with them. Where were Chewie and the Falcon during certain parts of this movie?
-Warp tube thingies
-Lack of logic in the space battle (the slow speed ongoing battle is cool, but... if the FO ships had plenty of fuel, and hyperspace jumps can traverse short distances as they did when Laura Dern's character jumped the cruiser to ram Snoke's battleships, so why didn't they just catch up and blow it to bits? Also, why does Snoke's personal ship not have the big space guns the other one had? Hell, if they have miniature death star siege weapons why don't they... and so on
-The "weapons dealers to both sides" thing doesn't make much sense in context
-A major part of the plot happens because two characters withhold information from one another for absolutely no reason. If Poe had told Admirable Purple Hair (is she an alien or does she just rock that style? It works for her either way) about his plan she could have in turn told him about the secret base. I mean, it's not like he's a spy or something.
-This movie could have been a half an hour shorter and been greatly improved.
-Finn feels superfluous. His whole story arc in this movie is things happening to him. He does nothing to move the plot forward or even complicate things for others, he's just there. He could have been just there and not had a lengthy sequence focused on him where essentially nothing happens.

The Baddest-

-This is a problem for the direction of the franchise, not this specific movie. I believe in sink or swim storytelling. I think it's great. It's awesome that Obi-Wan drops stuff like Clone Wars and doesn't explain it. If I mention that my grandfathers served in World War II I don't stop and explain World War II to you for the benefit of an invisible audience. That's organic dialogue writing.

What the new trilogy is doing is just baffling. There's no sense of space or location in... space, I still don't know where the First Order came from or what it really is, although I have a sense of it, or how they managed to somehow take over the Republic. The new Star Wars movies are clearly trying to be a generational saga- I get the feeling that Rey, Finn, and Kylo will themselves pass the torch in Episode XVI or whatever, and I don't mind that at all, I like serialized storytelling. The problem is that they're trying to do all this worldbuilding work and have the light touch "served my father in the clone wars" effect and be heavy on worldbuilding and they have no regard for the internal logic. I often say that I don't give a shit about continuity in franchises if it gets in the way of a good story, and it's true, but a good story is internally consistent and these movies have a problem with consistency in time, distance, and scale.

A simple explanation would be: The First Order formed out of the remnants of the Empire in part of the galaxy and the post-Empire Republic that evolved out of the Rebellion wasn't secure enough to do anything about it until it was too late, and Ben Solo becoming Kylo Ren broke the heart of the Republic by sending Luke Skywalker into exile, allowing the Order to form, and then invade and destroy the fledgling Republic.

The thing is, in the first movie the characters are all too isolated from all of that and it's poorly explained, so while it seems that way I'm not sure. I don't need it to literally say all that in the opening crawl but there's a very poor sense of how all these things are related from within the movies themselves.

Also, I think that the interesting story present in these movies is hamstrung by forcing them to echo the OT and all that. The core idea of these movies, that it isn't going to be all sunshine and rainbows and peace forever because Darth Vader threw an old man down a tube, is really compelling. The execution of it falls short.

I have a feeling a lot of the answers to these questions can be found in tie-in novels, on the backs of action figure packages, and on McDonalds drink cups.

Fuck that. I just want to watch a movie. Do I like reading extended universe stuff, sure? But i'm not going to be forced to care about it to understand a piece of fiction that I'm consuming and I resent them attempt. If you're going to tell a story tell a complete story. End rant.

The best:

This movie has an awesome sense of humor about itself that gives it a bit of jaunty, adventures air without being cloying. I particularly liked Snoke calling out Kylo's dumb helmet and the bit where Hux repeats Kylo's orders while standing right next to him and Kylo gives him a funny look. It's very subtle and doesn't beat you over the head with it. I like how, respectively, the humor fits into the Kylo Ren's arc about becoming his own person (even if he's an evil person) and the subplot of Hux playing his Starscream.

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Postby Cybermat47 » Sun Dec 17, 2017 6:57 am

View Original PostGuy Nacks wrote:-Leia confirmed bisexual. Noice.


When did this happen?

-I was disappointed that Luke didn't go more in depth about who the Jedi are and why he's become so disillusioned by them. What was written in those books? Why was he so adamant that the Jedi had to end? There must have been more to it than that. Just shouting that they were hypocritical failures doesn't really cut it.


This is shown in the prequels. The Jedi claimed to be keepers of the peace, but lead the slave armies of the corrupt Republic in the Clone Wars. They sat around in the Jedi Temple while slavery flourished in the outer-rim. They took children from their families, then forbade them from having personal attachments.


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-Phasma is Back For The Dead, and nothing of value was lost.


Annoying, after she was given her own novel and comic series establishing her as a unique character, one with no loyalty to the First Order, only to herself.

-So...did Luke have a heart attack on the cliff or was he just spent? Because that double subversion of him appearing to die from blaster fire and him appearing to be sliced in half by Kylo Ren, only for him to just have been revealed to be projecting himself lightyears across the universe and die as a result of that seemed random.


It was probably due to the stress of performing such a feat for so long. Remember what Kylo said when he first saw Rey?

“You can’t be the one doing this. The stress of it would kill you.”

... or something like that, I dunno.

-Kylo says that Rey's parents were just junkers and no one significant. We know that Kylo isn't the most reliable source of information, so is he correct or isn't he?


He was almost certainly telling the truth. Rey believed him after she searched her feelings.
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Postby kuribo-04 » Sun Dec 17, 2017 12:00 pm

View Original PostGuy Nacks wrote:Without reading any reviews or any opinions in this thread, here are my opinions of the film having just gotten out of it about an hour ago:

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-Snoke snuffing it was the most unexpected thing in the film. After hyping him up from the previous film to be the overall "bad guy Emperor-like" character (Darth Plagueis????) in this new series, him getting bested by fucking Kylo Ren was not something I would have thought would happen in the film. If he's not going to be the overall villain character in this series then is it simply Kylo Ren?

-Leia confirmed bisexual. Noice.

-I'm 100% anticipating a timeskip of at least 5 years for the next film. Whereas TFA left a lot of open ends that seemed to necessitate resolution in a relatively short timespan, this movie has a more closed ending. The Resistance is severely decimated and has no chance of going against the First Order in their current state. They need time to build up their forces. Kylo Ren seems about to go all Caligula and assert himself as the de facto leader of the First Order now that Snoke is gone. None of the other characters really have loose ends. The next film is gonna have much more of a blank slate to start from, it seems.

-Han was the primary character to interact with Kylo ren in TFA. IN this film, it was Luke. Episode XIX, it was said, after Carrie Fisher's death, was going to feature her heavily in an important role. It is all but assured that she was going to be the one to have a face-to-face confrontation with her son and try to get him to turn back to the Light Side, since she is now the only close family he has not had a direct interaction with yet in this series. I do not count the section near the beginning with them sensing each other's presence. Since Fisher is gone, and they're not gonna recreate her with CGI (which they shouldn't do anyway) it's all but assured that Rey is gonna be the one who will have to turn him back.

-I was disappointed that Luke didn't go more in depth about who the Jedi are and why he's become so disillusioned by them. What was written in those books? Why was he so adamant at the beginning of teh film that the Jedi had to end? Was it simply because he was tempted to kill Ben Solo because he sensed great Dark energy in him? There must have been more to it than that. Just shouting that they were hypocritical failures doesn't really cut it.

-The visuals for the climax of the space battle where Laura Dern hyperjumps the freighter into the Super Star Destroyer were amazing.

-I could not remember the name of the female asian character who fangirled around Finn.

-Phasma is Back For The Dead, and nothing of value was lost.

-So...did Luke have a heart attack on the cliff or was he just spent? Because that double subversion of him appearing to die from blaster fire and him appearing to be sliced in half by Kylo Ren, only for him to just have been revealed to be projecting himself lightyears across the universe and die as a result of that seemed random. I had no emotional reaction to him fading away. It was kinda like, "Huh?" If he truly is "dead", then this is the second time that they've had the death of a main franchise character where I have almost no emotional response to it, even moreso this time because if Luke IS dead, he's just gonna come back as a Force ghost in the next film.

-Kylo says that Rey's parents were just junkers and no one significant. We know that Kylo isn't the most reliable source of information, so is he correct or isn't he?


I may have more thoughts after I see it again and after reading other people's reactions to the film, but as of right now my overall impression is that it had some interesting ideas, but failed to execute many of them to my full satisfaction. The visuals and battle scenes were good, as always, but I'm feeling like, although it had a long runtime, it just needed MORE.

7/10.



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I don't think Luke's death was meant to be tragic. He is at peace, which he wasn't at the beginning. Now he is a higher being.
And Kylo is definitely not lying.
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Postby Guy Nacks » Sun Dec 17, 2017 12:08 pm

View Original PostCybermat47 wrote:When did this happen?


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They telegraphed it about as hard as they possibly could in a PG-13 Disney film. It happens during the scene where Leia bids farewell to Laura Dern. The close-up of hem holding hands clinches it.


This is shown in the prequels. The Jedi claimed to be keepers of the peace, but lead the slave armies of the corrupt Republic in the Clone Wars. They sat around in the Jedi Temple while slavery flourished in the outer-rim. They took children from their families, then forbade them from having personal attachments.


I fundamentally disagree with these new films having to rely on the prequels for important storytelling info of that nature. This is a change that would have required only about a minute of added screentime for Luke to explain that. I do NOT want to have to watch the prequels again in order to understand any character's motivations 60+ years after those events.

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I also don't think his death is meant to be tragic at all, but the way it was pulled off felt too random, especially after two death fakeouts in the preceding 20 minutes of the film. Tragic or not tragic, I still had no emotional reaction to his ascending to a higher plane of existence.

As to Rey's parents, after thinking about it, I can kinda get behind what they did in the film a little more. I still haven't seen the film a second time, so I'll be able to formulate my opinions a little more concretely after that.
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Postby kuribo-04 » Sun Dec 17, 2017 2:23 pm

@Guy Nacks

I need to rewatch the movie too. I mean, I would anyways. I love Star Wars.

I agree that I don't want the movie to rely on prequel stuff. But knowing that Vader was a jedi and became what he was is probably proof enough that they are potentially dangerous.

I also think it wouldn't be too original to repeat what the prequels did with the whole jedi not being as good as it seemed think, however I think this movie is more about
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the feeling of disappointment that you might feel about something you believed in, not so much the jedi themselves.
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Postby Chuckman » Sun Dec 17, 2017 3:06 pm

These movies are very navel gazy, which is weirdly fitting. TLJ is on some levels a message to both George Lucas and the fans.

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Hence the message that the Force doesn't belong to the Jedi, the Jedi belong to the Force.

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Postby FreakyFilmFan4ever » Mon Dec 18, 2017 9:49 am

I saw Star Wars VIII a couple of days ago. I enjoyed it somewhat while watching it, and the more I think about it, the more I like it. Ray and Ren are still underdeveloped as characters, I believe, but I do really enjoy how their characters are still being used to explore new aspects of the Force. (Much of this happens visually through editing, and I love it.) Ridley and Driver are also still some of the better actors in these newer movies, and their performances more than carry the weight of this film. The first half of the movie felt a little clumsy, but the last half of the movie felt like it knew where it was going and went there flawlessly.

Ultimately, these Disney Star Wars movies still feel off-genre for me. I think that's my biggest issue with these things. Original Star Wars was, at its core, a series of fantasy movies. Sure, it had a sci-fi aesthetic to it, but it was only skin-deep. What really made Star Wars feel like itself was the fact that they felt like fantasy movies more than they did sci-fi or war movies. You can totally see Obi-Wan Kenobi and Yoda in the same crowd as Gandalf from Lord of the Rings or Nicodemus from The Secret of NIHM. And, while there is certainly more exploration of the Force in this new movie (which helped a lot giving the original trilogy their fantasy feel to them), Star Wars VIII still doesn't feel like a fantasy film. None of the Disney SW films do. That's the part that makes me unsure as to how to feel about these movies. Maybe it was Mark Hamill's performance as Luke that keeps me from feeling the fantasy vibe. Maybe it was the look of the stupid planet Luke was on that didn't look enough like a fantasy. Maybe it was just the fact that much of the Force exposition given felt more like it was trying to be too concrete in their ideas. (The Force always worked better as an abstract concept, just ask anyone who hates Midiclorians.) I don't know why it doesn't feel like a Fantasy, but it doesn't. TFA is a by-the-numbers action flick with Star Wars-branded stickers attached to it, the only way to enjoy Rouge One is as the best example of a film adaptation of a video-game ever (Battlefront), and TLJ feels like a two-part Star Trek TNG episode with The Force-branded stickers attached to it. (Especially the scenes that involve either Poe or Finn.) They're serviceable movies in that regard, some more so than others, but I still don't know how I feel about them as Star Wars movies because they lack that fantasy vibe I get from the OT.

All that having been said, TLJ did a much better job at being a Star Wars film than the other Disney films. (Or even much of the prequels for that matter, which feel more like soap-operas than anything else.) Definitely worth a watch.

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Postby Cybermat47 » Mon Dec 18, 2017 8:02 pm

View Original PostGuy Nacks wrote:
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They telegraphed it about as hard as they possibly could in a PG-13 Disney film. It happens during the scene where Leia bids farewell to Laura Dern. The close-up of hem holding hands clinches it.


I can’t say that I agree. The novel Leia: Princess of Alderaan establishes that they’re childhood friends, so their interaction makes enough sense in that regard. The same novel also establishes that Leia is firmly heterosexual and humanoidsexual.

“That’s all right!” Leia said through laughter. “It’s just humanoid males for me.”


The same novel establishes Holdo as being bisexual, though. In fact, she’s the one Leia is talking to in the above passage.
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Postby Guy Nacks » Mon Dec 18, 2017 9:42 pm

View Original PostCybermat47 wrote:I can’t say that I agree. The novel Leia: Princess of Alderaan establishes that they’re childhood friends, so their interaction makes enough sense in that regard. The same novel also establishes that Leia is firmly heterosexual and humanoidsexual.



The same novel establishes Holdo as being bisexual, though. In fact, she’s the one Leia is talking to in the above passage.



What matters in determining characterization for this universe are the films, NOT the novels. I've never read any of those Star Wars novelizations and I'm not about to start. As far as I'm concerned, they're about as canon to the Star Wars universe as ANIMA or Girlfriend of Steel are to Evangelion.
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Postby Chuckman » Mon Dec 18, 2017 9:48 pm

If theres a subtext of a relationship in the film there's a subtext of a relationship in the film, no matter what other materials say.

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Postby soul.assassin » Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:38 pm

Still having those buzzing feelings after watching it last Sunday.

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  • Kylo eliminating Snoke in one swoop while taking full advantage of the then-Lord's gloating. That was unexpected, and at the same time might as well fulfill the Rule of Two conditions required for the success of a Sith apprentice to become a Lord.
  • That the supposed unlimited power of the Resistance battlecruiser is subverted when it turns out to be having serious fuel problems.
  • I like that it's like the Hoth retreat but in reverse, along with a serious decimation of Resistance forces.
  • Kylo vs Luke was like a final quick-draw showdown between gunslingers. And a hell of a Jedi mind trick.
  • Burning the last of the Jedi archives symbolically (when they were actually stowed away in the Falcon) reminded me of some Chinese tale along the lines of "You're reading the outdated philosophies of dead people" something like that. Besides, the Sith split from them long ago, taking with them the knowledge of the Jedi, and by symbolically burning the ancient books (assuming all the holocrons were destroyed as well) in effect not wanting to have all that remaining knowledge fall into the hands of others -- potential despots and murderers who cannot be trusted to use that knowledge.
  • Felt like I'm watching Fast and Furious 7.


I'm thinking what could be

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  • Leia would die a natural death.
  • The Knights of Ren would show up as more lethal replacements for Snoke's Praetorian Guard. And worse opponents for Rey.
  • Systems under the First Order become untenable for the dictatorship. Growing unrest.
  • The munitions magnate would possibly be implicated, as he bought out both Sienar and Incom, who respectively built weapons for the Empire and the Republic.
  • An ultimate showdown in Naboo? End everything where it all began?

Of course, just as I once wrote long ago, prophecies can be broken.
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Postby Chuckman » Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:44 pm

The

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slow chase was my favorite aspect of the film. I'd be less inclined to care if it makes no sense if not for the whole thing with Finn running off in the middle of it, which pretty much killed the tension. It's weird because it felt like the wrote the whole movie and were like... whoa, Flinn does nothing through most of this, we need something for him to do. Probably part of it was to hit on the recurring failure theme and have a "Lando" who just sells them out, but it was eh and I don't like Bencio that much as an actor.

The Jedi books were actually saved, they were in a drawer on the Falcon. The point of that whole scene was definitely, "kill the buddha" though.

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Postby Cybermat47 » Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:44 pm

View Original PostGuy Nacks wrote:What matters in determining characterization for this universe are the films, NOT the novels. I've never read any of those Star Wars novelizations and I'm not about to start. As far as I'm concerned, they're about as canon to the Star Wars universe as ANIMA or Girlfriend of Steel are to Evangelion.


Actually, there’s a team in place at Lucasfilm in charge of ensuring that all the canon films, TV shows, novelisations, comics, and video games etc. fit together, because as far as they’re concerned, all mediums are equal.

You may not consider the expanded universe to be canon, but officially, it is, and Pablo Hidalgo prides himself on maintaining the cohesiveness of the Star Wars universe. You can see this in the story of the last, sterile Geonosian Queen that was told through the Darth Vader comic and the Rebels TV show.

Not to mention that characters and specific ships from Rebels appear in Rogue One. Remember the Hammerhead cruiser that rammed the Star Destroyer? Rebels showed it being acquired by the Alliance - and that episode was made before Rogue One.
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Postby Chuckman » Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:48 pm

The appreciation of art is an individual, subjective, empathic, and above all deeply personal experience. The idea that Disney has a thought czar to tell people how to interpret their movies via ghostwritten books is weirdly disturbing given how they're going to control 40% of all media or some such thing.

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Postby Cybermat47 » Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:56 pm

View Original PostChuckman wrote:The appreciation of art is an individual, subjective, empathic, and above all deeply personal experience. The idea that Disney has a thought czar to tell people how to interpret their movies via ghostwritten books is weirdly disturbing given how they're going to control 40% of all media or some such thing.


You can interpret it any way you want. Pablo Hidalgo’s only job is to make sure that there are no contradictions between stories. His job starts and ends at the facts of the Star Wars universe. He’s not there to tell you how to feel about something, just to make sure that the universe doesn’t end up as a confusing mess.

Besides, if anything, LPOA actually confirms the bisexual subtext in that scene, given that it establishes Holdo as being bisexual. It wouldn’t surprise me if she had a crush on Leia.
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Postby Chuckman » Tue Dec 19, 2017 5:25 pm

I've finally settled on a way to describe Episode VIII.

It's like someone took the worst Star Wars movie ever made and the greatest Star Wars movie ever made and cut them into a single film.


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