The Ending of the End of Evangelion

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Postby Legend of the Past » Thu Jul 20, 2006 4:00 am

defiate wrote:ALL of the coloring issues you mentioned was because in the last scene the color palette/tone was different. Asuka still has orange hair, blue eyes and a red plug suit.


Asuka's always had red-hair, blue hair and a red plug-suit. I don't think you understand what I'm talking about, here... Color wise, if you stick someone in a room with green light, it would appear his skin is green. Sunlight is white, and white has all colors, hence we see the 'natural' colors of the skin during day.
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Postby Darius » Sun Aug 20, 2006 8:37 pm

(im giving my opinion on the first question on the thread..this isnt a comment to any post. lol)

Well to me...I never really found that Asuka died..even if she did..I could never accept it.

Yet, she is there lying on the ground next to Shinji after the failed Instrumentality. And since she is there...that would mean she didnt die because if she had died..it would have meant her dying before the third impact and instrumentality therefore she would have died a normal death like Ritsuko and Misato and not been able to come back.

Yes, Shinji accepted everyone to be individuals and such..so he and Asuka (for some reason..lol) were brought back. But, Rei said that everyone would return to normal if they wished..so ya, if people wanted to become individuals again, then they could.

Although, I bet Anno made the ending to have everyone make their own opinions....like have you heard the saying "Death of the author"? It means that once the auhtor of whatever piece of literature places this into the eyes of the public..he dies (not literally lol).. meaning that whatever he emant for the story doesnt matter...everyone will interpret everything differntly and have different opinions. And thats the magic of our minds.

So ya, you interpret the ending to what you want.

Anyways..thats my take and I hoped it proved useful to you =).

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Postby Mr. Tines » Mon Aug 21, 2006 1:45 am

Darius wrote:Well to me...I never really found that Asuka died..even if she did..I could never accept it.


She died, but was harvested into Complementation just like the others still warm in the corridors of NERV when the Rei-tachi went a-gathering.
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Postby tinmeigut » Mon Aug 21, 2006 1:54 am

Yea well when I first watched EoE I didn't think Asuka was dead but soon I realised it was inevitable that she was dead. Home truth. But anyway she returned right?
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Postby Darius » Mon Aug 21, 2006 9:39 am

Mr. Tines wrote:
Darius wrote:Well to me...I never really found that Asuka died..even if she did..I could never accept it.


She died, but was harvested into Complementation just like the others still warm in the corridors of NERV when the Rei-tachi went a-gathering.


Oh..ok then. I just hought she couldnt be harvested, so thats why I assumed she didn't die, but ok

tinmeigut wrote: Yea well when I first watched EoE I didn't think Asuka was dead but soon I realised it was inevitable that she was dead. Home truth. But anyway she returned right?


Ang ya, I guess you're right :D :D

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Postby Sailor Star Dust » Tue Dec 26, 2006 12:54 pm

In terms of the stupid "lol Asuka is Rei, Misato and herself" theory, Eva Otaku (parapharsed) said it best:

The coloring is different because it IS night, afterall.

(There are some things I don't agree with in his FAQ and I think by now certian things were proven wrong but at least he wrote all that to begin with. *shrugs*)

Anyway, I'm one of those weirdos who finds the ending to be happy just like 26 is. Probably because I see the last scene as being a symbol of hope for people with depression/anxiety, such as yours truely. ^_^; Not just a symbol of hope, but also learning to love yourself so you can love others and how if you take a chance at life, things will work out.
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Postby MaggotMaster » Wed Dec 27, 2006 1:04 am

The "HURR Asuka IS A MIX OF PENIS PENIS AND PENIS, I MEAN, Rei, HERSELF AND Misato" theory is the most retarded thing ever.

Since when does dark blue eyes = brown anyway?
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Postby Sailor Star Dust » Wed Dec 27, 2006 2:07 am

Because of idiots who can't tell it's the lighting or lack thereof? :roll:
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Postby MaggotMaster » Wed Dec 27, 2006 2:39 am

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Not brown.
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Postby Kaysow » Wed Dec 27, 2006 11:16 am

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Postby Sailor Star Dust » Wed Dec 27, 2006 11:23 am

I could have sworn I mentioned this in here, but in terms of the WHY of those two returning, it boils down to this:

Shinji: Rejects Instrumenality: Will to live on. ("For the sake of who I am, I will be myself."/"But maybe I could learn to like myself. Maybe my life could have greater value.")

Asuka: Has the will to live, so she returns after Shinji rejects that. ("I don't wanna die, I don't wanna die, I don't wanna die..."/"I don't want to die. I don't want to disappear!"/"So, I live alone. But I don't want that! It's painful! I don't wanna be alone...I don't wanna be alone...I don't wanna be alone!")

Mmmkay? :D

Speaking of the stupid theory, just yesterday I stumbled across a anime blog of a fan who rambled about how great Eva is and mentioning a little about being excited about Rebuild. However, he (I'm assuming) stated that he thinks the final scene is Rei-Asuka, a hybrid of the two. :shock:
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Postby MaggotMaster » Wed Dec 27, 2006 12:06 pm

It's funny that people think Rei merged with Asuka when Rei was present in the SAME FUCKING SCENE.
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Postby master0rolando » Wed Dec 27, 2006 10:06 pm

speaking of which...what was with Rei there?...

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Postby Sailor Star Dust » Wed Dec 27, 2006 10:30 pm

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Bookend Rei, aka Rei III, is possibly saying farewell to Shinji? Or at least because she's Lilith, she's watching over humanity. (which I guess is what that 1st Platinum booklet meant by that quote, "the Rei who gazes upon man.")
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Postby NAveryW » Wed Dec 27, 2006 10:30 pm

A combination of Rei and Asuka in a schizophrenic sort of way would be the funniest thing since creamed corn.
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Postby master0rolando » Wed Dec 27, 2006 11:27 pm

NAveryW wrote:A combination of Rei and Asuka in a schizophrenic sort of way would be the funniest thing since creamed corn.


and creamed corn is pretty hard to beat...

i always thought the Rei appearance at the beginning was simply Lilith herself...acknowledging his arrival...or maybe Sachiel's arrival...(perhaps thats how the Angels were led to her...FOLLOW TEH REIS!!!)

but at the end...i thought Lilith died...

or maybe she seperated into all the original souls again...including her own...and that was just her own soul by itself staring at Shinji...

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Postby The Eva Monkey » Thu Dec 28, 2006 12:00 am

The combination theory is the stupidest fucking theory ever. I hope everyone that believes in it gets a tea bagging.

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Postby Sailor Star Dust » Thu Dec 28, 2006 12:18 am

QFT.


And creamed corn may be funny, but it's not as great as the greatest thing ever: Beef Stew. :wink:


Anyway. Um, besides the combination theory, what were talking about again? (something about Asuka, but what?) *huge sweatdrop*
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Postby Anonymous_Evafan » Thu Dec 28, 2006 2:03 pm

Sailor Star Dust wrote:QFT.

<nitpicky mode> You're suposed to quote something when you type that <end nitpicky mode>

master0rolando wrote:i always thought the Rei appearance at the beginning was simply Lilith herself...acknowledging his arrival...or maybe Sachiel's arrival...(perhaps thats how the Angels were led to her...FOLLOW TEH REIS!!!)


Rei was part of Lilith come GNR mode, so if it was Lilith by extension it was Rei too.

but at the end...i thought Lilith died...


We all know Lilith likes to make her own metaphysical rules.

or maybe she seperated into all the original souls again...including her own...and that was just her own soul by itself staring at Shinji...

Kaworu/Adam and Rei/Lilith serperated all souls before Shinji left and the system crashed. Otherwise Asuka couldn't have come back.

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If you wish once more for the existence of others, the barriers of the heart will separate everyone once more... And the fear of other people will begin again.

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That's all right...

(disengages Rei from him and clasps her hand)

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Postby Jobhug » Sat Dec 30, 2006 1:23 am

Is it possible the bandages are just the director's way of saying "hey, gang, this is the same Asuka we know and love from the good old days when everyone was alive"? The reason I believe they are meant to serve as a message to the audience rather than an affirmation of continuity is becasuse she got lanced a good 7 or more times alongside a painful disembowelment which are not reflected by her bandages. Surely the message of this scene is "Asuka died, but here she is."


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