Do people still hate Evangelion 3.33?

[Dima]

I'm almost positive Q could be more of the same that Ha was and people on here would still love it. I really don't see the hate for 2.0 on here that everyone keeps talking about.

Lol, another fun fact is that people outside Evageeks love 2.22 while in here most members didn't like it.

[pwhodges]

Both films were very strongly argued about in this forum, which suggests that there were plenty of people on both sides in each case. Blanket generalisations are often not really useful!

[Bagheera]

I'm almost positive Q could be more of the same that Ha was and people on here would still love it. I really don't see the hate for 2.0 on here that everyone keeps talking about.

A large part of that is because Q essentially "fixed" things, making Eva seem like Eva again. Before Q came out feelings about Ha were both strong and harsh around here.

[TheFriskyIan]

A large part of that is because Q essentially "fixed" things, making Eva seem like Eva again. Before Q came out feelings about Ha were both strong and harsh around here.

I frankly only saw one thread about Ha being awful and that was the stickied "Rebuild isn't your daily two minute hate." thread, other than that, I don't recall the hate, but then again I'm going off people's posting behavior a year before Q was released. However that statement you made "Q fixing Eva" what is that supposed to mean? 1.0 and 2.0 weren't Eva? I'll admit the point is centered on Shinji's emotional development, but if Q was the only thing that was "True Eva" than we would have had a dark and depressing movie series from the beginning. Q doesn't work without the "bait" that is Jo and Ha. Because if we started depressing to begin the popularity of NTE might not have came as far as it did. I'm by no means saying Q should have been more like Jo and Ha (and honestly, everyone should have saw Q being dark coming a mile away), but I don't think the first two are any less Eva simply because they don't have the same atmosphere (if that's the right word to use, forgive me for not knowing a better one).

[FreakyFilmFan4ever]

For the record, I love Ha! It was very refreshing, cleanly animated, wonderfully presented, and extremely fun for the most part. I often find myself watching NTE for Ha, and then staying for the masterfully delivered Q. (Jo hardly ranked anywhere in my interests of NTE until it was redefined by Q. And — holy crap! —what a redefinition.)

In fact, that's how I usually sucker myself into watching Eva. I find myself really, really wanting to see that action arc, and then what it's over the rest of the show happens and it's amazing.

A good part of the hate expressed here about Ha centred about Asuka being totally out of character for Sohryu.

It's a good thing she's not Sohryu then, isn't it?

One thing i noticed is that EvaGeeks love 3.33 while most people in other forums hate it.

I'm not sure what the other forums were expecting, really. I mean, as unexpected as Eva Q was, we all knew that Eva had to start being less "fun" at some point.

[Dima]

For the record, I love Ha! It was very refreshing, cleanly animated, wonderfully presented, and extremely fun for the most part. I often find myself watching NTE for Ha, and then staying for the masterfully delivered Q.

Yep, this is exactly what i think about 2.22.

I'm not sure what the other forums were expecting, really. I mean, as unexpected as Eva Q was, we all knew that Eva had to start being less "fun" at some point.

I think that after 2.22, the mainstream audience was expecting a different show from what Eva was.

[WunderBah]

the mainstream audience was expecting a different show from what Eva was.

They didn't get what Eva was from the start then.

[Arcadia's legacy]

And that being?

[Bagheera]

And that being?

A story about believable characters rather than one that hits all the standard Hollywood cliches.

[Arcadia's legacy]

Jo hardly ranked anywhere in my interests of NTE until it was redefined by Q. And — holy crap! —what a redefinition.

Could you go into detail into how Q changed your view of Jo?

[Stillborn]

A story about believable characters rather than one that hits all the standard Hollywood cliches.

It just hit different Hollywood cliches.

[pwhodges]

Is it possible to avoid clichés if people are inclined to look for them?

[zlink64]

Eva always had cliches but it turned those cliches on itheir heads so it was okay. Rebuild is a retelling so that flipping of cliches probably doesn't feel so fresh like it once did.

[BlueBasilisk]

I frankly only saw one thread about Ha being awful and that was the stickied "Rebuild isn't your daily two minute hate." thread, other than that, I don't recall the hate, but then again I'm going off people's posting behavior a year before Q was released.

That thread was created because discussions were getting pretty heated in the first year or two after 2.0 hit. The backlash subsided a lot after 3.0 came out.

Exactly. As I said, it amounts to "this movie is flawed because it didn't do what I wanted it to do!" But that doesn't make it flawed at all. That just means lots of viewers missed the point of the exercise, which is an altogether different problem (and one that has nothing to do with the movie).

I can't count how many times I've seen people say they skipped 1.0 because of its similarities to eps 1-6, or suggested that others do the same. They complain about Rebuild being "confusing garbage," but they can't or won't consider the movies as their own work and try to plaster over the gaps in their understanding with elements from the manga and tv series. Kinda hard to properly judge the narrative when you're skipping a third, isn't it?

[Bagheera]

I can't count how many times I've seen people say they skipped 1.0 because of its similarities to eps 1-6, or suggested that others do the same. They complain about Rebuild being "confusing garbage," but they can't or won't consider the movies as their own work and try to plaster over the gaps in their understanding with elements from the manga and tv series. Kinda hard to properly judge the narrative when you're skipping a third, isn't it?

Definitely. Many of the differences in Jo really set things up for Ha and Q, and writing the movie off as a rehash of NGE is a mistake IMO. And besides, who in their right mind would want to miss that fantastic battle against the 6th Angel? Poor Ramiel in NGE is green with envy!

[Mr. Tines]

I frankly only saw one thread about Ha being awful and that was the stickied "Rebuild isn't your daily two minute hate." thread, other than that, I don't recall the hate

Going back and reading the threads after all this time, when the emotional charge has drained away, doesn't really give a fair representation of how it felt at the time, but for a sampler, these are the most concentrated containment threads --

thread/11561/Debate-the-quality-of-Rebuild-here-1/
thread/7773/Debate-the-quality-of-Rebuild-here-2/
thread/6969/How-are-you-liking-Rebuild-so-far-ITT-We-tag-Spoilers/20/

but also things like

thread/11925/20-Asukas-treatment-in-movie-Cringe-inducing/
thread/6339/Shikinami-Asuka-Langley/
thread/8871/So-I-heard-a-lot-of-folks-didnt-like-Mari/

[gatotsu911]

The best part in 2.22 is when Unit 01 is rejecting the Dummy Plug and we know this because the Dummy Plug is screaming

[Reichu]

I'm almost positive Q could be more of the same that Ha was and people on here would still love it. I really don't see the hate for 2.0 on here that everyone keeps talking about.

Unless you revisit threads from before 3.0's release, you're not going to see a whole lot of it. The forum was a shitstorm after 2.0 came out. And if 3.0 had been 90 minutes of inane fan pandering, you can bet EGF would have been doused in fire and brimstone once again.

[Stillborn]

Unless you revisit threads from before 3.0's release, you're not going to see a whole lot of it. The forum was a shitstorm after 2.0 came out. And if 3.0 had been 90 minutes of inane fan pandering, you can bet EGF would have been doused in fire and brimstone once again.

Well... It WAS 90 minutes of inane fan pandering. Just for the fans that enjoy Shinji suffering

[Arcadia's legacy]

And why do most here disagree with that?