Shikinami: Sohryu-contaminated? [Split]

[elemileTLDR]

[Split from here. The original beginning of this post, which was relevant to the original topic, can be found there as well. - Monk]

While on it: are we entirely past the insane possibility of Q Asuka being somehow "Sohryu-contaminated", within the Rebuild-after-EoE hypothesis (i.e. that the "Bardiel"/angelic presence in Asuka might be her own past self in a different continuity)? That could start explaining her eye damage/alteration, the ripping of this one plugsuit as a consequence of the harpies' attack (evisceration, halving of arm and final dismemberment) and maybe, just maybe, her mysterious final claim:

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Help her when, exactly?
And when did she become so knowledgeable about Shinji's fads?

...or am I sightseeing UFO again?

[ElMariachi]

The problem with your theory is that Asuka wasn't wearing her usual plugsuit when Bardiel attacked, and the tapped up suit of 3.0's first half isn't even the same than 14 years ago(the collar area is different)

[riffraff11235]

^This. I remember when some of us thought that the taped-up plug suit meant that it was Soryu in 3.0, since the damaged parts matched up with her injuries at the end of EoE. Looking at it now, that plug suit probably got damaged in combat before the events of 3.0, possibly against the 11th or 12th Angel.

[elemileTLDR]

@ElMariachi
No, those are exactly the foundations for this guess: that the plugsuit is really Sohryu's, not Shikinami's; that Q-Asuka is Sohryu (angel/Q-Bardiel) + Shikinami (human). But laisse béton if it's just too silly.

[ElMariachi]

Except that Shikinami's tapped plugsuit in 3.0 is also different from Soryu, the collar is also different and there is an additional "button" that Soryu's suit don't have.

[elemileTLDR]

@ElMariachi
Please, my shot might be long but I'm not contradicting myself...

I mean that the plugsuit that was precariously amended sometime between 2.0 and Q might be originally Soryu's; who, as "another possibility" pertaining to another continuity (i.e. a functional angel here, somewhat like Shinji in the RE-TAKE doujin), invaded the Rebuild continuity as the so called "Bardiel" event during 2.0. I'm supposing that Shikinami, together with her test suit, morphed at some degree into Soryu/"Bardiel" together with her old torn off plugsuit as well.

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Why would she use precisely that plugsuit again after all those years, during the beginning of Q? probably as some sort of charm or significant item during Unit-1's retrieval, for she might finally meet Shinji again not just since 2.0 as Shikinami but also since EoE as Soryu.

Also, there is the already well known weird face that comes with Bardiel, behind the cross shaped blue light:

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If I'm not that nuts myself, this girly thing could be Soryu Asuka's "soul".

Significantly enough, there is this quote about the extended scene about the Bardiel incident on the storyboard (taken from here):

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The most shocking scene at the end was not featured in the movie. Inside the Eva-03, the angel takes Asuka's face and says in Kaworu's voice that "a happy Asuka[?] [that] is not like you", then Asuka says that her happy self is scary and tries to put her usual face back.

It's a frail theory, I know, but it caught my eye and wanted to entertain the idea.

[Shinoyami65]

I doubt that Asuka is contaminated with her NGE-self, mainly because it's not been proven that the sequel theory is correct, and the idea of Bardiel opening a portal to the NGE universe is very far-fetched. Additionally, most of the contamination references in Asuka's character are coloured blue (like Bardiel)- whereas Soryu is heavily associated with the colour red.

Additionally, Soryu could hardly said to be "happy", particularly at the end of EoE. And unless this is freaky Eva!Asuka from Anima trying to take the NME universe as her own, there's no evidence to support an alternate Asuka invading the NME universe, particularly as none of Asuka's many multi-media incarnations ever gain that much power.

[elemileTLDR]

Additionally, Soryu could hardly said to be "happy", particularly at the end of EoE.

Precisely: it was Shikinami who was suddenly happy (getting intimate with Misato and shit) and Bardiel told her that such happiness wasn't like Asuka (the real one, the bitter one) at all. I'm being terribly misunderstood over these last posts. Guess my english really sucks and/or I understood that quote incorrectly myself.

About the rest: OK.

[Monk Ed]

I, for one, had no trouble understanding you.

[Shinoyami65]

Precisely: it was Shikinami who was suddenly happy (getting intimate with Misato and shit) and Bardiel told her that such happiness wasn't like Asuka (the real one, the bitter one) at all.

Oh, OK. I'm sorry, maybe I'm not reading these thoroughly enough.

But as, I said, Asuka Sohryu Langley never becomes powerful enough to cross dimensions in any official Evangelion media, and she was still human at the end of EoE which knocks out any idea of her crossing over via the sequel theory.

[Giji Shinka]

Just remember that these are just references to NGE and EoE. Nothing serious.

[Dima]

I like your theory. It doesn't sound too far-fetched and what you say could be possible. Q's Asuka reminded me Soryu in some parts although there are still some differences.

[Shinoyami65]

It doesn't sound too far-fetched and what you say could be possible. Q's Asuka reminded me Soryu in some parts although there are still some differences.

I would say it is far-fetched in that it entails Asuka Sohryu crossing between parallel dimensions or living for the many years between EoE and NME and somehow turning into a blue ooze so she can shove herself into Shikinami's left eye.

[pwhodges]

The idea of Anno combining characters from different continuities in a hidden way like that sounds completely unlikely to me.

[Dima]

I would say it is far-fetched in that it entails Asuka Sohryu crossing between parallel dimensions or living for the many years between EoE and NME and somehow turning into a blue ooze so she can shove herself into Shikinami's left eye.

Well if you believe the sequel theory or parts of it then it doesn't sound so crazy.

My personal opinion is that after instrumentality the universe is resetting in some way. Many things change but some things remain intact like the selection of the pilots, angels, Kaworu, Impacts etc

[UrsusArctos]

sequel theory

Did you have to summon this abomination from the grave?

Regarding the OP - I see it as Shikinami accusing Shinji of not helping enough with the Bardiel incident, resulting in her getting contaminated.

[Shinoyami65]

Well if you believe the sequel theory or parts of it then it doesn't sound so crazy.

Even that's super unlikely, as Sohryu was a human when we last saw her, instead of blue Angelic goo. Additionally, Sohryu would be under the impression that Eva-03 was meant for Toji- unless she's got precognitive powers or can somehow monitor Nerv Japan from a cumulonimbus cloud near America. There is very little reason why Sohryu would want to replicate the original Bardiel's attack, there is very little reason that she would have taken Bardiel's form, being a human, and there is no way she could have known she would come into contact with Asuka by taking over Eva-03.

Finally, Bardiel is a resplendent blue- whereas Sohryu is often associated with red, as is Shikinami.

[Jurrasic]

Even that's super unlikely, as Sohryu was a human when we last saw her, instead of blue Angelic goo. Additionally, Sohryu would be under the impression that Eva-03 was meant for Toji- unless she's got precognitive powers or can somehow monitor Nerv Japan from a cumulonimbus cloud near America. There is very little reason why Sohryu would want to replicate the original Bardiel's attack, there is very little reason that she would have taken Bardiel's form, being a human, and there is no way she could have known she would come into contact with Asuka by taking over Eva-03.

Finally, Bardiel is a resplendent blue- whereas Sohryu is often associated with red, as is Shikinami.

Yeah. Sorry, while I do have a pet theory that Eva is a Stein's Gate/When they Cry style multiverse with repeating chances to "get it right", I don`t see this as happening.

The hidden face is very cool, and it is the first time I`ve ever seen it or heard of it, but it looks more to me like a reflection caused by Bardiel`s bright light inside the LCL tube as Asuka is flung down into it. A reflection distorted by her own fear at this moment.

That or maybe Bardiel is female, and it`s a projection of her self-image in Human form.

[ObsessiveMathsFreak]

Even I'm not prepared to think this far outside the box. Asuka contamination in Rebuild is almost certainly exclusively Bardiel related. But possibly also related to Eva-02, Third Impact, Rei, Mari, Kaworu, Shinji, etc, etc. Reaching for continuity bleed before exhausting other in-universe options is an unjustified stretch.

[Guy Nacks]

I for one am still expecting a monumental plot twist regarding the purpose for her name being changed in the first place. Aside from the whole Mari/Asuka/Rei are clones/genetically engineered theory, this is the only other one which seems amazing on a fanwank fappability index.