Asuka's role in 3.0 & Beyond

[Guy Nacks]

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This. Only because it'd be a tremendously powerful thematic device to show Asuka's hidden pining for Shinji after all these years (if she even does). I still think that if Anno had the balls to have Shinji wacking it in EOE, he could feasibly do so with Asuka in Final.

But then again, Anno '97 was probably in a much different place mentally than Anno '12.

He's probably also less sex-deprived.

[Shinoyami65]

After Near-4I, how come Asuka doesn't go back to Wille with Mari? Instead she heads off into the wilderness with Shinji and ReiQ. Shoudln't her first priority be to hand Shinji (the Impact trigger) and ReiQ (member of Nerv) over to Wille?

[A.T. Fish]

When she ejected from her Eva she had no control of where she'd land, Mari didn't have to eject so she threw herself somewhere the Wunder could reach her afterwards. Asuka holds out some kind of detector in the end and says that the levels of I don't know what in that place are too high for them to come for her, so she has to go to them instead of waiting for rescue.

[Olmer]

Asuka holds out some kind of detector in the end and says that the levels of I don't know what in that place are too high for them to come for her, so she has to go to them instead of waiting for rescue.

That's actually one of the most interesting things for me to think about regarding 3.0 now. I suspect that they're in a place, where you'd normally need a special suit to enter (like the one that Shinji was wearing when Kaworu led him to see the results of the Impact). The fact that nobody in the scene needs it (and that Asuka refers to humans as "Lilim") would support the idea that pilots aren't really humans anymore.
Of course Shinji has no idea that the contamination (or whatever prevents people from entering) won't harm him, so he's given the suit anyway...

[Kendrix]

That's actually one of the most interesting things for me to think about regarding 3.0 now. I suspect that they're in a place, where you'd normally need a special suit to enter (like the one that Shinji was wearing when Kaworu led him to see the results of the Impact). The fact that nobody in the scene needs it (and that Asuka refers to humans as "Lilim") would support the idea that pilots aren't really humans anymore.
Of course Shinji has no idea that the contamination (or whatever prevents people from entering) won't harm him, so he's given the suit anyway...

Then again, there was always the implication that there's something fundamentally different about people born after or having been in utero during Second Impact... and that being an EVA pilot fundamentally alters one after a while. Even back in the original, Shinji just couldn't get the LCL stench washed off anymore after a while...

The sad thing is, the thought of having turned into... something would probably freak him out if he wasn't busy vacantly staring into the distance because there's so many other things he can't process right now.


Or maybe people like them are "the next step", the beginning of evolution towards something that can survive in that blood-caked wasteland?

[bladerj]

That's actually one of the most interesting things for me to think about regarding 3.0 now. I suspect that they're in a place, where you'd normally need a special suit to enter (like the one that Shinji was wearing when Kaworu led him to see the results of the Impact). The fact that nobody in the scene needs it (and that Asuka refers to humans as "Lilim") would support the idea that pilots aren't really humans anymore.
Of course Shinji has no idea that the contamination (or whatever prevents people from entering) won't harm him, so he's given the suit anyway...

That scene cemented how stupid Shinji is, i mean, here is this creppy boy who doesnt know personal boundaries has the same eyes as Rei, and some creepy rape smile walking without protection in a hazardous enviroment and you just follow him around ? EEESH.

at no point during the movie it is made clear if Shinji know kaworu is not human or at very least different, plus the magic spell. Shinji was relutant to go to evas, then kaworu says something and Shinji just jump to the conclusion that he must be right,lmao !

btw i like your theory as i wrote here before something similar.

[skeletor]

Does anyone have any theory on Asuka saying,we need to go where the LILIN are ? the only other character to refer to humans as lilins is kaworu,and we all know what he was.

I think she was speaking to Rei III and explaining it to her in terms that she would understand, like an adult speaks to a child. This is just speculation though.

[Darkwing]

Okay I've been thinking, and I got three words for you. Giant Naked Asuka. I mean we've had plenty of Giant Naked Rei's. It's Asuka's turn to be the harbinger of our destruction/asscenision.

Actually that's not as random as I first thought. What with all the speculations about the girls having Nami in their names, or that Asuka's an angel. Plus it'd kinda neat to see.

[esselfortium]

Okay I've been thinking, and I got three words for you. Giant Naked Asuka. I mean we've had plenty of Giant Naked Rei's. It's Asuka's turn to be the harbinger of our destruction/asscenision.

Actually that's not as random as I first thought. What with all the speculations about the girls having Nami in their names, or that Asuka's an angel. Plus it'd kinda neat to see.

No it wouldn't. It'd mean her permanent death, which would completely suck.

Anyway, Rei and Lilith are still connected here so I don't think it's too plausible. I really doubt they'd go the lazy already-done-that route of having a giant naked anyone going around collecting souls, anyway, though. EoE already exists. If Final is just EoE again, there was no point to any of this other than "give me your moneys".

[Reichu]

I think she was speaking to Rei III and explaining it to her in terms that she would understand, like an adult speaks to a child. This is just speculation though.

Rei Q never calls humans "Lilin", and, even if she did, how would Asuka know, and decide to make such a weird word selection on account of it? Does Asuka even give that much of a damn what Rei Q thinks?

Doubtful. Given the glowing blue eye, and the fact that she is unharmed by the "L Barrier" (which is preventing Wunder's crew from providing assistance), Asuka's use of "Lilin" is clearly meant to tell us something about herself.

It'd mean her permanent death, which would completely suck.

...or would it?

[UBERGEEKZILLA]

i dont think theres going to be a giant naked anything....this isnt Eoe...and it wont be anything like Eoe....as for Asuka possibly dying...maybe....but will it be permanent? i doubt it.

[skeletor]

Rei Q never calls humans "Lilin", and, even if she did, how would Asuka know, and decide to make such a weird word selection on account of it? Does Asuka even give that much of a damn what Rei Q thinks?

Ah, that makes sense.

I guess I was thinking that because Asuka clearly knows Rei is a clone, maybe she also knows that humans are from Lilith (having been informed of various information in the years post Near Third Impact). It could be common knowledge to people in their field 14 years in the future. Maybe there is a distinction between clones and "Lilin" since clones are made by man from man instead of being from Lilith and Asuka intended to emphasize that when speaking to a clone. Rei Q might just be obtuse enough to need the distinction drawn, who knows?

Like I said I was just speculating because the scene is really full of weird moments. Like why would Rei Q even decide to approach them? Ostensibly she knows that Asuka is at best unfriendly and at worst an enemy.

Doubtful. Given the glowing blue eye, and the fact that she is unharmed by the "L Barrier" (which is preventing Wunder's crew from providing assistance), Asuka's use of "Lilin" is clearly meant to tell us something about herself.

I am not convinced that the "L Barrier" is harmful to humans and that pilots are somehow not human anymore. I think it is plausible, but that other plausible explanations exist. It could be that it simply interferes with communications and would make any attempt at coordinating a rescue impossible.

I do think that the glowing blue eye is a good hint that Asuka may be part Angel now. The idea that she is a trigger in 4.0 seems to fit and that would be a convenient explanation as to how she could be one.

You guys definitely have some interesting ideas.

[Reichu]

I am not convinced that the "L Barrier" is harmful to humans and that pilots are somehow not human anymore.

The pilots have a lot going against them, what with the whole "Curse of Eva" thing implied to be the follow-up to Ritsuko's blather about high plug depth threats to one's humanity from 2.0. It's accumulating evidence, not just any one thing.

The "L Barrier", being something only mentioned once so far, can naturally lend itself to multiple possible explanations. I think the idea that it somehow "blocks out" Lilin has potential, since it would go a long ways toward explaining why Wille hasn't taken anywhere near as much action against Nerv as we might expect.

Far as Asuka being a trigger in 4.0 goes... Eh, they put Asuka in the position of possibly triggering something back in 2.0, and nothing came of it. Nothing has happened in the fourteen years since, either. I don't think the story is interested in going down that path.

[Warren Peace]

I do think that the glowing blue eye is a good hint that Asuka may be part Angel now. The idea that she is a trigger in 4.0 seems to fit and that would be a convenient explanation as to how she could be one.

Mari and Shinji have had the glowing eye thing going on at different times. I'd say it has more to do with the Evas than Angels.

[bladerj]

L-barrier is actually mentioned twice, first ritsuko is concerned about getting the wunder bird airborn due to L-barrier around the ship,maybe wunder at field was assisting the people working on the bridge ?
then Asuka mentions it in the end.

Mari eyes glow in beast mode, Shinji glows BEFORE going beserk pre god mode when the eva had no power, and i think Shinji is the biggest question mark, since we dont know if the eva went beserker becouse of mommy or Shinji will in 1.0, we were not given the eye poping reflection in the window scene,plus mari comments in two instances that Shinji is special or different.

About Rei going to them, my thoughts watching was her desire to be with ikari kun, maybe some vestigious of yui data, when she chops mark 4 heads, she says it was on order with typical anime shamefull emote,head low, dark patch on eyes,as if she regretted it.

[Shinoyami65]

Okay I've been thinking, and I got three words for you. Giant Naked Asuka. I mean we've had plenty of Giant Naked Rei's. It's Asuka's turn to be the harbinger of our destruction/asscenision.

Actually that's not as random as I first thought. What with all the speculations about the girls having Nami in their names, or that Asuka's an angel. Plus it'd kinda neat to see.

Well, as I said here, Asuka can somehow make her left eye glow in a small blue cross-shape outside of Beast Mode: http://forum.evageeks.org/thread/13654/SPOILERSAsukas-Left-Eye-in-30/20/#589945

But there will be forever be an army of people who believe it's the fabric of her eyepatch and whatnot.

[pwhodges]

But there will be forever be an army of people who believe it's the fabric of her eyepatch and whatnot.

I suspect it's only me, actually - but I haven't changed my mind yet!

[Rei IV]

For a major character whose development got the "shaft" (once again) in 3.0, Asuka totally dominated, as well as kicked ass, in virtually all the scenes she appeared in. It's also no coincidence, IMHO, some of the best action scenes in the film featured her and Unit 02. I could empathize with her frustration at Shinji's dumb-assery (who happens to be someone I like more than her, as a character). It also was nice to see her show "affection" toward her Eva, apologizing to it for having to blow it up. Nice contrast to the "you're just my puppet" mindset she had in episode 22 in NGE.

Did I mention how awesome it was to see her in beast mode? Kyoko would be proud. I like Pirate Shinkinami a lot.

[BlueBasilisk]

Mari and Shinji have had the glowing eye thing going on at different times. I'd say it has more to do with the Evas than Angels.

This. The Evas' onboard displays are able to identify both the 12th and 13th Angels during the final battle, and the Nemesis units earlier. There are four Evas in the climax, and not one of them picks up an Angelic reading on Asuka or Unit 02. Whatever's going on with it, it doesn't seem to be dangerous in the Angel way, even if it is the side-effect of one.

That, and I seriously doubt Misato would let Asuka anywhere near an Eva if there was a remote chance her condition could cause trouble.

[Darkwing]

No it wouldn't. It'd mean her permanent death, which would completely suck.

Giant Naked Asuka was a joke. Although just imagining what would happen makes me grin.
"Shini you BAKA!" GNA starts Chasing Shinji in Unit-01 to beat him up.