In fairness only two are really significant in canon NGE (heck, three don't even exist), and even those are iffy.
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Mr. Tines wrote:Shinji/Hikari
They do make kind of a cute couple, but there's not all that much tension there. It's almost always really bland, and thus I'd say it only really works in fics where the focus is on someone else.
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Yes, but those are still not ALL that are attracted to him - he is shown to have a aquired a bunch of random fangirls by episode 5 - You hear them while he is distracted with looking at Rei. If he was less tmid, he could have half the class - not tho mention that the two he actually gets are percieved as unaproachable by the rest of the shool, albeit in different ways - Asuka is shown to have countless fanboys, much to her displeasure. She stomps on the love letters and even kicks the fanboys in the guts in Rebuild. Having her attach your own Name to her insults is HELL of an archievements
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Apart from being a named character, it's much the same as Shinji/other fangirl from class 2A -- a safe sort of pairing -- were it not that her affections are clearly elsewhere.
Besides, if I were to suggest someone other that Touji for Hikari, it would be the person she shared a bed with, and made some highly misconstruable remarks to while doing so.
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Gratuitous copying Bardi because our preferences are the same:
Though I like the idea of Mari/Kensuke/Mayumi because I'm a weirdo.
AngelNo13Bardiel wrote:Asuka/Shinji (been made clear enough in the past I shouldn't need to say it, but...)
Rei/Kaworu (still one of the proud few)
Misato/Kaji (it is canon, after all)
Hikari/Toji (same here)
Yui/Gendo (ditto)
Ritsuko/Maya (mmm...delicious potential yuri)
Mari/Kensuke (hey, everybody's just gotta have that one "left-field" choice)
Though I like the idea of Mari/Kensuke/Mayumi because I'm a weirdo.
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That's what I was getting at, yes. Tines reasons that the A/S pairing is nonsense because they're like oil and water (untrue IMO, but anyway), and you can't get much more oil and waterish than incompatible sexual preferences.
S/H, though boring, is one of the more plausible pairings out there. Yes yes, she's in love with Toji, but she's a teenage girl. Wait five minutes.
(not to say true love can't happen, but anyone who's made it past their teens knows it's damn unlikely.)
Mr. Tines wrote:Besides, if I were to suggest someone other that Touji for Hikari, it would be the person she shared a bed with, and made some highly misconstruable remarks to while doing so.
...which is why Shinji/Hikari is usually just a sidestory in an Asuka/Toji fic.
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Bagheera wrote:That's what I was getting at, yes. Tines reasons that the A/S pairing is nonsense because they're like oil and water (untrue IMO, but anyway), and you can't get much more oil and waterish than incompatible sexual preferences.
S/H, though boring, is one of the more plausible pairings out there. Yes yes, she's in love with Toji, but she's a teenage girl. Wait five minutes.
(not to say true love can't happen, but anyone who's made it past their teens knows it's damn unlikely.)
too bad that you need some plot for a FF. I'm not saying it's impossible, but S/H would get boring fast if you're not a particulary talented writer.
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More that she's out of his league, and if upper class girls go looking downwards, they're after a piece of rough -- which makes Asuka/Touji as in the other live action interlude so much more plausible.
As for A/H
you have to take that totally out of context to even start to get as much as a hint of class S between the two of them. Still, it's fun to run with that thought -- and there are the doujins to show for it.
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kendrix wrote:Forget Asuka! How can you say such horrible things about poor, poor Shinji?
What has Shinji ever done to you?`*don't take me seriously either*
EDIT: Oh, I missed your Edit. Eh... Sorry. Yes, Ceasefire is a good Idea. I'll go cheer up our poor, poor Shinji now.XD
Don't worry kendrix, Shinji is in a good place now, he is planted between Asuka's arms with his face in her boobs. He is happy and confused as to the sudden act of kindness.
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Nightweaver20xx wrote:What I would like to know, however, is an explanation as to WHY a veritable legion of fans WANT S/A, if it's (and it is, even I admit that) so very obvious in the series they aren't in love. Just what is it we fans (myself included, little bit of psychoanalysis there) see in that pairing that makes us all uguuuuu with nostalgia and warmth? THERE'S NO WARMTH THERE. It's all basically "I'm gonna punch you in the face, Shinji" and strangulation on a beach.
I've wondered this for years, now. I read stuff like Re-take and Epilogue of Eva and Raising Project and I LOVE it, despite myself, despite my knowing it's an impossible pairing. So what gives, geeks?
Honest answer? Because I have hope. Long version: if those two can, for even the barest of moments or the most remote of possibilities, look at the other and think 'just maybe'...well, it gives a weary and disgruntled soul like mine hope and faith that other people (I'm talking IRL here) can understand one another someday. It's only a dream, but hey...a boy can dream, right?
And yeah, like essel said earlier, they're adorable together (I do love me some good A/S dialogue, their interactions are always interesting). What, you were looking for something more than that? Well, let me be the first to pop that bubble.
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Nightweaver20xx wrote:What I would like to know, however, is an explanation as to WHY a veritable legion of fans WANT S/A, if it's (and it is, even I admit that) so very obvious in the series they aren't in love. Just what is it we fans (myself included, little bit of psychoanalysis there) see in that pairing that makes us all uguuuuu with nostalgia and warmth? THERE'S NO WARMTH THERE. It's all basically "I'm gonna punch you in the face, Shinji" and strangulation on a beach.
I've wondered this for years, now. I read stuff like Re-take and Epilogue of Eva and Raising Project and I LOVE it, despite myself, despite my knowing it's an impossible pairing. So what gives, geeks?
I agree. Maybe I just don't get how S/A is an ingenious subversion of romance tropes or something, but there's more warmth between Shinji and Rei, tons more. And it's Rei we're talking about. That's really saying something.
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Though I'm a sworn Rei fan, I much prefer AsukaXShinji, because theirs is a very interesting and unusual relationship which shows that love hurts. Also I'm not much into incest stuff :P To me, ReixKaworu seems much more appealing- opposites attract each other! (even though they are practically "the same", their characters are really polar opposites.)
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Of course there is. She's a clone of his mother, inhabited by the soul of the progenitor of all life on Earth! There would have to be a bond there of some sort. It's just way too simplistic to insist that it needs to be romantic.
I guess this is what really gets me about Eva fandom: pairings have to be romantic, and it's either all or nothing. People see warmth between Rei and Shinji and insist it must be love, or they listen to Kaworu's dialogue and immediately start in with the slashfic, or they see Asuka reacting badly to Shinji's reactions to her advances and assume she's deeply in love with him. But none of these are particularly valid responses to what we see on screen -- human relationships are much more complex than the simplistic love/not love we see trotted out in these sorts of threads.
A/S is not true love. A viewer would have to be very young, very naive, or both to think it was. But that's not really the point. The point is that, after what they've been through, they can make it work (this is true for most people, btw; as long as they share some common ground most people can learn to live together even if they aren't madly in love with one another). And, given this, it's a pairing worth pursuing as it gives us a vehicle for exploring both characters in greater detail.
Naturally, we can do this with other pairings as well, but they're a lot less interesting IMO if the writers default to romantic interactions (Rei loses pretty much all of her capital when used as a love interest, for example. Kaworu's even worse). It's far more satisfying, IMO, to explore other sorts of human relationships, and use those to define the characters in ways that veer away from the norm even though they still ring true for the characters in question.
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