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Postby Reichu » Mon Jan 27, 2020 9:35 pm

View Original PostAdamMalkovitch wrote:-Please no spoilers here, I'm only on chapter 5 and I'm sure there are others like me who opted to wait for the official translation by Seven Seas-

The reason you waited is actually because nobody else anywhere translated Anima in any appreciable way. Also, as I explained previously (so go back for the full explanation), Vol. 1 as found in the tankouban is not the same thing that appeared in Dengeki all those years back.
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Postby Mr. Tines » Tue Jan 28, 2020 4:10 am

So I picked up and read the first volume. It was surprisingly OK so far, in the style of "Eva continuation-fic that I might have written, following an Asuka-centric, early SysOp crash, fix-fic", however off the rails it might get later.
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Postby AdamMalkovitch » Thu Jan 30, 2020 3:32 pm

View Original PostMr. Tines wrote:So I picked up and read the first volume. It was surprisingly OK so far, in the style of "Eva continuation-fic that I might have written, following an Asuka-centric, early SysOp crash, fix-fic", however off the rails it might get later.

Yeah, I'm really enjoying it so far. I've really chilled out on this kind of stuff following the Star Wars sequel trilogy, and thinking about Eva itself. I can have my own opinions, I can decide what's canon for me. IMO, the Sequel Trilogy ruins a lot of what the Prequel and Original Trilogies did, so I personally don't see it as canon. Same goes for Eva, and anything else I'm a fan of. I don't mind that Anima isn't being done by Anno, and I'm interested to see how insane it gets. I only just got to
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big black boy grabbin Longinus out of the moon
in Seven Seas' Vol.1, and I love this kinda expanded universe shit [likely a product of growing up a Sonic fan, a series which notoriously has like zero continuity in the games and what is there is confusing and inconsistent], so I can't wait to check out Vol.2 when it comes out this February.
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Postby AdamMalkovitch » Fri Jan 31, 2020 7:13 pm

Do you guys think we should start a new thread or something specifically for the official Seven Seas translation? It's so far behind the original Japanese, but I'm sure us that waited are overcome with theories and speculation, but since the original is so far ahead, maybe this thread should be for those fully caught up, and us newbies could make a board just for us, as to not clutter this one and run the risk of having a fully caught up member spoil something for us. I mean, nobody really knows Anima even exists outside of this forum, so it's not like I can go on my Discord GC and be all like GUISE HALY SHIT ARMAROS or the like. What do you all think?
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Postby Mr. Tines » Sat May 02, 2020 3:42 pm

I've not quite finished the second volume now, but already I can see bits that leaked out into Q. Enough new curves get thrown in at a rate of pretty much one every other page (rather along the lines of A.E. Van Vogt's 800-Word Rule) that if it's not strictly off the rails right now, sticking the landing is going to be an interesting job.
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Postby Sailor Star Dust » Wed Jul 22, 2020 6:05 pm

I'm considering pick up all 4 volumes once they're out, but does the rest of EGF find it an overall enjoyable read for those who nabbed their copies?

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With Volume 4 out in November this year: https://www.amazon.com/Neon-Genesis-Eva ... 645057704/
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Postby Blockio » Thu Jul 23, 2020 8:36 pm

I haven't read it myself (yet), but to broad stroke the reactions Reichu and BlueBasilisk gave while reading them:
-Yamashita was definitely high while writing this
-none of this makes any sense
-what the fuck is this shit
-why does this Eva have boobs
-who thought any of this was a good idea
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Postby MarqFJA87 » Thu Jul 23, 2020 9:51 pm

View Original PostBlockio wrote:-why does this Eva have boobs

Is this referring to the Asuka-Eva Synthesis?
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Postby Reichu » Thu Jul 23, 2020 10:05 pm

I haven't actually read any of the localization yet myself. I attempted to translate some of it about a year ago, and the experience was... uh... Well, pretty much this nonstop "What in the fucking fuck is even going on and why? What does any of this have to do with Eva? What does any of this have to do with ANYTHING?". Like it's so scatterbrained in terms of plot logic, character behavior, internal consistency, exposition, and so on that it verges on a substitute for hallucinogens. Since my Japanese isn't the best, I naturally was questioning at every turn whether or not I interpreted something correctly. The simplest sentence would provoke a "no fucking way that can be right..." It was like a constant... gaslighting, you could say. That's really the best way I can describe it. You start to doubt your own mind.

Despite the difficulty in making any sense out of anything from Anima, apparently I didn't do that terrible of a job, since the professional translation feels basically the same as the Yamashit I was able to convert into semi-coherent English. This is partly a relief (hooray, I don't completely suck!), but also kind of scary, as it suggests that a faithful rendition of Anima will be fucknuts because that's just how the original is. BlueBasilisk confirmed that having the full context available does not prevent the gaslighting I mentioned, though I can't say yet whether or not the full context makes it worse or not. I'm suspecting "worse" because he said it was so bad he genuinely felt mentally unwell. For that reason I don't expect him to provide a direct response to this thread, at least not anytime soon.

In Yamashita's favor, he is of course a great illustrator (...whose depictions of women are consistently, mind-blowingly awful, and he should just stay away from them completely), and he is extremely creative, great at cranking out a nonstop barrage of high-concept ideas. But the man seriously needs a filter if he's going to helm his own projects like this, because it is simply too fucking much. There is so much insultingly stupid nonsense crammed in, and many potentially interesting ideas are executed in the most half-baked, poorly justified manner. The complete garbage should have been pared out so that the material with promise could have received more focus and polish.

Also, while this probably ranks as the most interesting Eva spin-off, the competition is so wretched that this really isn't saying much. The Eva elements of Anima are extremely superficial, to the point it's fairly clear that Yamashita never actually watched the entire anime, and he's just going off what he picked up from being part of the creative team. The result is this complete mess that just has no idea what it wants to be. Is it a sequel to the show? Or is it just a few modest changes away from being an original work completely unrecognizable as Eva? It was marketed around the former claim, but any actual fealty to NGE's continuity almost seems... accidental.

Yamashita will pay some lip service to Eva's unique lore, maybe, but for the most part he doesn't seem that interested in it. It's a mad rush to gleefully disregard and dismantle Eva's mythology so he can replace it with... garbled lunacy. There's no real way to ground yourself in a story that doesn't even have a fanfiction's usual acute self-awareness of where it is departing from the original. This shit is sloppy and haphazard. It's so bad that Adam (who you might remember as being this thing that set off the plot to NGE and is responsible for a major character's motivations and is also responsible for the existence of the Angels and most of the Evas, etc. etc.) gets acknowledged, like, once in passing; Lilith and Rei have nothing to do with the each other; the Black Moon does not exist and has been replaced with stuff that Yamashita made up; the Human Instrumentality Project is a completely undefined mess of a plot device, used to lazily "justify" borderline sociopathic disaster porn and shitty soap operatics; and so on. And for all the jokes about Eva being "loldeep" (i.e. not that deep at all), Anima provides a frightening illustration of what "shallow" truly is. The title is a great example of this. You'd think an Eva spinoff called "Anima" would actually DO something with the Jungian concept, right? Anything at all?? Yamashita has the perfect set-up -- Shinji becoming Eva-01 -- but he never does anything meaningful with it. Yamashita's attempts to utilize Biblical allusions have all sounded painfully bad, too.

Of course, I'm doing that thing where I'm criticizing a work I mostly haven't read, so...* At some point or another, I intend to sit down with Anima so that I fully earn the right to rip it to shreds. Doing so would probably be a waste if I didn't, like, record my reactions (even the occasional good ones!), and then make YouTube videos out of the affair or something. But I'm not sure how many people would actually be interested in listening to me ramble hyperbolically about how lame I think Anima is.

* (BlueBasilisk, who has read all three available volumes, did give my post his stamp of approval, however.)
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Postby Blockio » Fri Jul 24, 2020 8:32 am

View Original PostReichu wrote:Of course, I'm doing that thing where I'm criticizing a work I mostly haven't read, so... At some point or another, I intend to sit down with Anima so that I fully earn the right to rip it to shreds. Doing so would probably be a waste if I didn't, like, record my reactions (even the occasional good ones!), and then make YouTube videos out of the affair or something. But I'm not sure how many people would actually be interested in listening to me ramble hyperbolically about how lame I think Anima is.

Oh I would watch that. And probably be tempted to record my reactions in some form as well...
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Postby chee » Sat Jul 25, 2020 12:52 pm

I visualized the heartbeat scene as the entire Nerv crew just spontaneously crunking the fuck out and doing a Blue Man Group routine.

I was not prepared for this assemblage of words and sentences that can be referred to as a "light novel"

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Postby Sailor Star Dust » Sun Jul 26, 2020 3:13 pm

I definitely wouldn't mind a Youtube video or two of your thoughts once you read ANIMA. @ Reichu

I....didn't realize the novels are that loosely connected to the series (not much in the way of Black Moon/Lilith/etc mentions) considering the fan translated summaries on here from years ago at least sounded somewhat like a semi-decent sequel from what little we knew. I'm fine with batshit insanity in Eva, such as a spoilery bizarre tidbit in Volume 4's(??) ending fan translated forever ago, but not including better characterization and the like...Just, bleh.

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Postby chee » Mon Jul 27, 2020 11:39 am

Evas 02 and 00 apparently have hips now because Asuka and Rei got hit with the Lady Juice due to puberty. I think. This prose is fucking dogshit
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Postby Zusuchan » Tue Aug 18, 2020 6:17 pm

ANIMA appears to be the very definition of ''batshit insane''. Having not actually read it, would those of you who have state that it's basically a lot more interested in the technology and big fights at the expense of literally anything else and even then it's not really great because the fights are written with shitty prose and randomly stopped for random ecological details? Because that's the view I'm getting of this.

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Postby Blockio » Tue Aug 18, 2020 7:44 pm

I have not read it either, but have gotten rather detailed descriptions of it through Reichu and BlueBasilisk, who have both read it; what you're saying is the gist of it, yes. I've subjected myself to some random snippets of it, and it very much is "shitty prose"
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Postby Zusuchan » Tue Aug 18, 2020 8:28 pm

Well, if that's that, then I probably can't be bothered to read it. Maybe the WTF-ness of the whole affair actually makes it entertaining to read, but simple descriptions of some of the stuff going on there(such as EVA's having breasts and Rei clones communicating with each other through a robot cat) are enough for me right now, especially with the prose really being that shitty.

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Postby SEELE-01 » Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:40 pm

View Original PostZusuchan wrote:(such as EVA's having breasts and Rei clones communicating with each other through a robot cat)

Wait, what? :huh:
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Postby MarqFJA87 » Wed Aug 19, 2020 9:42 am

View Original PostSEELE-01 wrote:Wait, what? :huh:

That sounds like a reference to the Asuka-Eva Synthesis; Asuka at one point is forcibly merged with Eva 02, with the end result being actually described in-story as "like a giantess cosplaying as an Eva". The Evangelion Wiki (the Fandom one, not the EvaGeeks one) has a whole section on her with illustrative images if you're curious.
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Postby Blockio » Wed Aug 19, 2020 2:38 pm

That happens even before Crimson A1; there's a line relatively at the start stating that apparently, the Evas went through puberty along with their pilots :facepalm:
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Postby MarqFJA87 » Wed Aug 19, 2020 3:14 pm

View Original PostBlockio wrote:That happens even before Crimson A1; there's a line relatively at the start stating that apparently, the Evas went through puberty along with their pilots :facepalm:

... That actually sounds plausible, considering 1) the fundamentally biological nature of the Evas, 2) the "human"-ness of the Evas' biological nature, and 3) the pilot-Eva synchronization being implicitly if not explicitly metaphysical and so potent that a high enough synch makes the physical states of pilot and eva intrinsically linked (so an injury to one causes the same to the other).
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