[NEWS] Neon Genesis Evangelion coming to Netflix Spring 2019

[SEELE-01]

OMG!!!!
Please let them recast the original Latin Spanish cast!!!!

SEELE's dub wank starts here:

SPOILER: Show

Contrary to popular belief, some of the best dubs of the '90s were done in Mexico... I've seen Eva in Japanese and heard the English, French and three different Spanish dubs and by FAR the best one, in terms of adaptation and voice-to-character match is the Mexican one. All of the original cast members (minus Asuka's) is alive and still in the industry!
Netflix has deep enough pockets to pay for all of them (salary issues was the reason Zima could not hire all of them for the Rebuild dub)
Mein Gott! An EoE dub with the 90's cast would be
I really hope they do so, dubs in Mexico are a touchy subject... If a series is remade or a new movie is released or something and they replace a VA the backlash can end up compromising the series!
Example: For the Sailor Moon Crystal dub they practically brought all the original actresses back! Dragon Ball and Saint Seiya have kept the same actors for almost 30 years and when they don't, Lord have mercy on their souls. They hired the original actress for Sakura, Kero, Tomoyo and Yue for CardCaptor Sakura: Clear Card (save for Shyaoran... During a behind the scenes promo, the new VA asked a silly question that the public considered meant he was not taking his job seriously and was promptly mobbed on the internet because "dude! you are replacing a central and VERY beloved character of a VERY popular series! Do your homework!").
In short, Bring them for fuck's sake!!!

Rant end...

[DarkBluePhoenix]

At least when it comes to the US, it's likely that Adult Swim has both exclusive tv and stream rights to OPM dub ( seriously if you wanna watch it dubbed it's available there) so that's likely why Netflix only has it subbed.

Eva is different though, no company has streaming or broadcasting rights to it, so the dubs fate is entirely on what Netflix was willing or able to acquire.

I''ve actually seen both, one of the few shows (besides EVA, DBZ and a few others).

And I don't see a new dub as a bad thing. A more concise translation from the original Japanese would probably make more sense and help us better understand the series overall.

[robersora]

There's a difference between "nostalgia" and "nostalgia of something that was objectively great".

objectivity doesn't exist.

On the redubbing, I've got mixed feelings.
The English one can't possibly be worse, especially the atrocity they did to EoE. So all rights with the world in that regard.
The German actors did a lot better than the English ones, since they understood and accurately recreated the relatively naturalistic voicing of the characters, as opposed to the Americans, who seemingly thought Eva demanded Looney Toonsesque over-enunciation.
But on the other hand, the German dub made the mistake and used American sound effects (scream of the Evas) and adopted the flub in Episode 22 in which Asuka repeated the 5 lines loop.
So if Netflix uses the German cast, while also doing what the Japanese sound team did, that'll be fine. Unfortunately, Netflix's track record with dubbing Anime is mediocre at best...

Then again, this is Evangelion, and there's still lots of time, so one might think they'll get a grip this time.

[DarkBluePhoenix]

^ If they want to prove themselves in the anime game, redubbing EVA is their one shot, one opportunity to seize everything they ever wanted. I just hope they don't screw up this moment for themselves.

[robersora]

^
Considering how expensive this property must have been (otherwise I couldn't explain how Eva of all things was in limbo),
and how big the Twitter splash was (it trended worldwide),
and how desperately Netflix wants the Anime-geeks,
and they've already fucked up AICO and apparently learnt from the mistake ....

...

I hope for the best.

[silvermoonlight]

So Netflixs have the ADV rights to Evangelion and the EOE and death and rebirth movie but they want to do a redub (With out the original cast)

https://comicbook.com/anime/2018/11/30/neon-genesis-evangelion-netflix-dub-rei-voice-actor-comments/

What's everyone thoughts on this? As to me without the old cast its just a no go and Neflix are just setting themselves up for a fail of epic proportion.

[penguintruth]

The old dub was horrid! Spike Spencer’s Shinji is a gross exaggeration of the character, a whiny, stereotypical “coward” voice, and Tiffany Grant’s Asuka wasn’t much better. Why make a new dub with the old cast? That defeats the whole point. It’s not like the old dub was wildly inaccurate, just poorly acted. Purge the likes of Spencer and Grant and get competent replacements, I say.

[jcmoorehead]

I'm probably in a minority on the forum who is a fan of the dub, I think the cast, mostly, do a great job. There are a few oddities here and there but it's generally quite a strong dub. With that said, if it is to be redubbed, whilst it'll take some getting used to I'm perfectly willing to give the new ones a chance and see how it goes. Netflix will hire some pretty talented people to work on it, so I can't imagine it being bad by any means.

I guess for me it's like replacing band members, you have to kinda give them a chance to see how it goes and it's not like the original is no longer there. Marillion are still Marillion with Steve Hogarth, Pink Floyd were Pink Floyd after Roger Waters left, Yes have had about 40 line up changes and are still Yes, Dream Theater have had 3 keyboard players and 2 drummers and are still Dream Theater. You might always lose/gain something and it will be different but I still think it's worth giving it a chance.

[Joseki]

If Anno, Enokido etc. wrote these words, we must respect these.
Did they introduce a dichotomy (maybe purposely!) between the script and the english nomenclature? We must respect this.

In Japan, english means only taste for the exotic, like the cross-shaped explosions :-)

Talking about the name of the show itself, the complete title is "Shin Seiki Evangelion (Evangelion of the new era) - Neon Genesis Evangelion", a *double title* with two different meanings, like it was in Tomino's Ideon ("Densetsu kyojin Ideon (Ideon Legendary Giant God) - Space Runaway Ideon"); Anno did the same with Nadia, which complete title is "Fushigi no Umi no Nadia (Nadia of the Wonderful Sea) - Nadia, The Secret of Blue Water" ("Fushigi no Umi no Nadia" recall "Fushigi no kuni no Arisu", the Japanese title for "Alice in Wonderland"). Btw, I don't wanna go OT and I know what this topic could mean for native English speakers

I just wanna say that "best case scenario" for Italian fandom, is a new dub with Cannarsi as scriptwriter and dubbing director.

I don't agree with this to be fair, and the "Shin Evangelion" name becoming "Evangelion: 3.0+1.0" is an example of khara himself not agreeing with this "fidelity at all costs" view, and consistency with what is actually on screen quite often is a good thing too.

Localization is quite a complex thing. For example using "Nuova Tokyo 3", even if it's a literal translation, would sound very early '900 instead of sci-fi to most people. Literal translations of city names was a thing in the '20s during fascism, and it's now considered ancient. "Neo" on the other hand sounds more modern and cooler.

And to be fair, given Netflix's current track record with anime, I'm sceptical a new dub would fix the few issues the current dub has without creating other (and bigger) issues. And there is also the fact that Misato's original VA may not want to work on Eva ever again: her father (SEELE 01's VA) died and she refused to dub Misato in 3.0.

[BlueBasilisk]

I'm open to the idea of a new cast if the voices fit the characters and are well acted. We already had a bunch of core characters recast between the series and the movies, and I've gotten so used to those that the old voices sound weird to me now.

Asuka and Misato would be the hardest to adjust to since Grant and Keith have done them for so long, but I'd be down for someone who brings Asuka closer to Miyamura's Asuka. I like Grant but her Asuka comes off much more shrill and angry.

[Bhorium]

Personally, I'm kind of looking forward to what Netflix's spin on a re-dub might be. While I prefer subs, I don't actively dislike the old dub (nowadays, at least), but it does have a lot of problems and a re-dubbing of the series is something I have been hoping for ever since the release of the big Blu-ray box.

[xwait]

Localization is quite a complex thing. For example using "Nuova Tokyo 3", even if it's a literal translation, would sound very early '900 instead of sci-fi to most people. Literal translations of city names was a thing in the '20s during fascism, and it's now considered ancient. "Neo" on the other hand sounds more modern and cooler.

You're Italian, right? In Italy you call that far nation "Nuova" Zelanda. Does it sound cool?
IMHO you are confusing "objective" (in the name of Eva's city, "shin" is 新 that means "new" = "nuovo") with "subjective" (i.e. your personal taste).

Don't you "Shin Getter Robot VS Neo Getter Robot"? It's "shin" (真) VERSUS "neo" (ネオ)... *not* exactly the same thing ;-)

(btw, today's Khara is not 90's GAiNAX)

I'm sceptical a new dub would fix the few issues the current dub has without creating other (and bigger) issues. And there is also the fact that Misato's original VA may not want to work on Eva ever again: her father (SEELE 01's VA) died and she refused to dub Misato in 3.0.

Her father's voice was replaced by another one already in the second part of that tv series dub ^^ (Gianni Musy -> Glauco Onorato) and if you watched new italian dubs of Ghibli catalogue, you can notice a lot of young and talented voice than Cannarsi could use in a new Eva dub.

Anyway, the old dub is lost forever.

My two cents: a new dub would be shit (Netflix Italia translates italian animes' scripts using english translation) or it would be gold (if they call back Cannarsi, it could be golden).

[Joseki]

Don't you "Shin Getter Robot VS Neo Getter Robot"? It's "shin" (新) VERSUS "neo" (ネオ)... *not* exactly the same thing ;-)

"Nèo-" means "nuovo", it's the same information that gets conveyed (= a New Tokyo).

Regarding new voice actors I won't change idea. Either don't redub it or redub everything (NGE, EoE, Rebuild and the upcoming Shin Eva) with the same voice actors.

[Guy Nacks]

This is good, and will allow for a fresh experience watching the show again with some (hopefully) improved performances.

Normally, I'm almost exclusively a sub person when it comes to NGE because I've never been able to get behind any of the dubs. The only two English cast performances that I think are really worth keeping anyways were Amanda Winn-Lee's and Allison Keith's.

[Guy Nacks]

I am 100% behind a redub with a completely new cast. I agree with penguintruth's thoughts on Spencer and Grant's performances. I think their performances in particular (and the way they may have been directed) have done more to pigeonhole their characters as "whiny coward" and "bitch" stereotypes respectively in the eyes of American viewers than anything else.

[penguintruth]

I am 100% behind a redub with a completely new cast. I agree with penguintruth's thoughts on Spencer and Grant's performances. I think their performances in particular (and the way they may have been directed) have done more to pigeonhole their characters as "whiny coward" and "bitch" stereotypes respectively in the eyes of American viewers than anything else.

Exactly my point. I'd wager that a good deal of hatred Shinji gets in the English-speaking community is because of the caricature-like nature of his Shinji. And Grant's Asuka doesn't capture any of the nuances of the character. I mean, Asuka isn't known for subtlety, but she does have feelings other than "at eleven" bitchiness.

To be fair, some of the other performances are okay. I waffle back and forth on whether or not Allison Keith-Shipp is that good a Misato (she does have to compete with Kotono Mitsuishi, which is nearly impossible). But it was baffling to me that they actually brought the two worst performers back for the Rebuild dubs. Where is this demand coming from? It's not like Evangelion's dub is as beloved as, say, Cowboy Bebop's, or Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex's. But suddenly Spike Spencer fans are crawling out of the woodwork. Nostalgia can poison the mind.

[Arcadia's legacy]

I've said this earlier, but i feel it bears repeating, i hope episodes 21 -24 include their DC scenes, and they're not solely found on Death(True)2

[FreakyFilmFan4ever]

^ It’ll be interesting to see how Netflix deals with the extended episodes versus the originally aired episodes. Not that I have anything to base is on, but I would think they would go to the extended episodes over and see originally aired episodes. I mean, that is where you get some of the more extreme content before you get to the End of Evangelion film.

Also, I think that the extended episodes are Anno’s preferred edition anyway, so it’s more likely that he’ll offer that over the others if a decision has to be made between the two.

[penguintruth]

That old English dub doesn't hold up at all, and I'm shocked that so many people have been defending it on Twitter, as if it were the Cowboy Bebop or Hellsing dubs. The sooner we can purge Evangelion of Spike Spencer and Tiffany Grant, the better.

Though, if it ever gets re-released on discs again, they could try to put the old dub on it, too. There'd probably be room for both in addition to the Japanese version.

[KRandMJ]

I guess with this re-dubbing of eva; that means Netflix will only have the dub and not the sub version. Does this include EOE?

Is it safe to assume that the sudden release of Eva on Netflix; as an act to advertise Eva and generate hype for 3+1.

Also im out of the loop; will this redub recast voice actors or get new ones?