Last Eva Manga Volume Features New Character

[Sailor Star Dust]

Honestly, this Extra Stage makes me want to own U.S. Volume 14--assuming it'll be included! Too bad about the release date being pushed back after all.

[Gendo'sPapa]

If some of the speculations on here are true & they somehow were carried into the final Rebuild entry it would make some of my few (very few) issues turn into positives.

Guess I'll have to check this forum for the next few days till scans & translations are up. :)

[Giji Shinka]

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EXTRA STAGE: Summer of Eden
*The setting is Kyoto in 1998.
*The story of Yui Ikari meeting Gendo Rokubungi in college is from one female's perspective.
*The girl is also Professor Fuyutsuki's student. She entered at 16 years old, skipping 2 grades to enter.
*The girl's studying aboard from England as a special research student.
*She received glasses as good will from Yui.
*Yui gave her a twin tails hairstyle.
*(The girl) refers to Yui as "Yui-sensei" and Gendo as "Gendo-kun".
*The girl's name is "Mari Makinami".

...Welp.

Eva Fan goes onto say how this ties into Eva: Q with Mari knowing "Rei's original" (Yui) and referring to Gendo with "-kun". So he lists a theory that Mari is of the same generation as Shinji's parents:

*The "Curse of Eva" makes it hard to understand characters' real ages.
*Fuyutsuki's photo from the old days has a glasses-wearing woman in Mari's likeness photographed.
*She knows the original (Yui), hence her remark to tentative Rei Ayanami.
*Calling Gendo Ikari as "Gendo-kun".
*Eva's "Backdoor Code" is known, because she's an Eva researcher.
*She sings old popular songs from the Showa era because she was born in the Showa era.

BUT he then mentions the point how Yui's original surname in NGE was "Ikari" while in NTE it's "Ayanami", so the manga and NTE aren't necessarily linked. And how it's for now, back to waiting for Eva: FINAL.

Either Mari really is a slider, or this is an extra stage that's just for the fun of it!

[Guy Nacks]

Interesting.

[garfy]

I personally liked the extra stage, the story ended fine, so I didn't want anything extra.
A flashback is just perfect for this, obviously, this raises a timeline problem. My thoughts are:

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Liked to know how Yui met Gendo, and how Gendo was treated at the campus.
I really loved the scene were Mari tells Yui how much she admires her, and Yui gift her glasses.

In part, I don't totally know for sure if Mari is in love with Gendo, or just sad/jealous at him for how Yui looks after him (probably the latter).

Mari having 16 at that point makes no sense, but since the story made an opening for loops and alternative worlds, maybe that was the original Mari, who just happen to be in a different time in the Rebuild loop.

Since this opens a new world of Mari x Yui, it will be interesting to pay more attention to Mari and Rei, I expect to see something related to this in the last movie.

[ChaddyManPrime]

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The thing about Mari is that she is older than 2I, which is really fucking weird considering the only people capable of piloting Eva are the Children born after it. I'm thinking some weird ass time travel shit is involved.

[Sailor Star Dust]

Well...

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Using the Haruhi example, isn't that what being a slider is all about?

[ChaddyManPrime]

Well...

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Using the Haruhi example, isn't that what being a slider is all about?

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Kinda, but that would mean she's not from the Manga Universe either considering she's still older than 2I. I have so many ideas running through my head, I can't just pick one thing I like.

Maybe she originates from a Universe that came before ANIMA? I mean she's a little kid there so it would be logical. Why would she be sliding though? It can't be as simple as her trying to help Shinji and Asuka across the timeloops.

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[Mr. Tines]

Are people forgetting the

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Makinami Series?

[ChaddyManPrime]

^

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Mari has her own series?

[Jäeger]

Seriously???

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Sadamanga it's just an independent work, that is how it began, that is how it ended. This chapter only tells us that Mari exists in the continuity, just that. It's feels shoehanded because it was made with Rebuild in mind, because it doesn'd anything to the manga story. The same way Sadamanga gave us Kaji's background, which can be accepted because it doesn´t clash with Anno's canon. This new info just confirms what everybody suspected. A hint, that is all. Who knows what happened for her after 1998, but you can be sure it's not rebuild.

IMO, dimension/time traveler theories are..... i cannot wait to see a Delorean I supose if supporters are taking even Anima in account they'll do the same with Petit Eva. Or SD deserves less respect than chibi Neko Mari??

[pwhodges]

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The thing about Mari is that she is older than 2I, which is really fucking weird considering the only people capable of piloting Eva are the Children born after it. I'm thinking some weird ass time travel shit is involved.

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Hasn't it already been established that this doesn't hold in Rebuild anyway? One of many things that can no longer be assumed...

[Jäeger]

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Hasn't it already been established that this doesn't hold in Rebuild anyway? One of many things that can no longer be assumed...

It seems

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So logical that all that theories about time and space travelling astonish me. Sadamanga it's an independent work, that's all. It just has gave us a shoehanded hint about Mari's origins. It works in the manga (despite not adding anything), it works for rebuild confirming what we suspected. That's all. No way to link both worlds.

Made hundreds of time before in other media and franchises

[ONIAgent150]

I'm just kinda surprised that everyone here needs a debate about how this "fits" with the existing pieces of Evangelion and the ever-shifting nature of "canon." It's a cool story and gives us another angle on a character we already know. If it affects the Rebuilds, cool! If not, why get bothered by it?

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Personally, I love it. I hope it applies to the Rebuild films if Mari turns out to be significantly older than even the aged-up Asuka. It gives us an interesting angle on the child soldier/woman-out-of-time characterization that Mari exudes.

[ElMariachi]

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The thing about Mari is that she is older than 2I, which is really fucking weird considering the only people capable of piloting Eva are the Children born after it. I'm thinking some weird ass time travel shit is involved.

That wasn't stated anywhere in the series or the manga, and even if it was, as pwhodges noted,

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Rebuild works on a different set of rules, everyone being able to pilot another Eva was already proof of that.

Another detail, unless Mari in the manga uses lenses, she doesn't have any problem with her view, while the Rebuild version can't see shit without them (see when she lands on Shinji in 2.0 and is frantically searching for her glasses)

And to finish, some timeline notes: the chapter take place in 1998, meaning three years before Shinji's birth, and seven years before the Contact Experiment (as Shinji was four when it happened), so assuming that Yui was 27 at the time of the CE as in the series, that means that in the chapter she's 20 years old, and Gendo being 11 years older than Yui (48 at the time of NGE, minus 10 years makes 38 at the time of the CE), that means he's 31 years old in the chapter.
No wonder everyone look at him weirdly, not often do you see an university student in his thirties!

And for the lulz, at the time of the main story of the manga, Mari is supposed to be 33, four years older than Misato. Aaaaaaaand assuming (also for the lulz) that her background in Rebuild is the same than in the mange, that means that by the time of Q, she's 47 years old, meaning barely one year younger than Gendo pre-timeskip!
And now I just put Asuka x Gendo in you mind.

[Bagheera]

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Hasn't it already been established that this doesn't hold in Rebuild anyway? One of many things that can no longer be assumed...

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It never held any water. People assumed you had to be born after 2I to pilot, or to have been in your mother's womb when 2I happened, or other silly things, but that's never been the case. It was always about your familial relationship with the Eva's resident soul. If Yui's father was were still alive he probably could have piloted just as easily as Shinji could have.

In the ENT series . . . who knows? The rules aren't established, and it's possible Anno hasn't even bothered to work them out.

And for once, I agree with Tines -- Ayanami series is a thing, so why not Makinami series? That would explain a lot, actually.

[artesox]

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Another detail, unless Mari in the manga uses lenses, she doesn't have any problem with her view, while the Rebuild version can't see shit without them (see when she lands on Shinji in 2.0 and is frantically searching for her glasses)

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She does uses lenses, she just needed the glasses because she lost them in the mess Yui made. There is a translation here Link

[ElMariachi]

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She does uses lenses, she just needed the glasses because she lost them in the mess Yui made. There is a translation here Link

Thanks for the information!

[Fireball]

Sadamoto watched too much Yuri Yuri.

[hui43210]

Thanks for the information!

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I assume that tumbler is just saying Mari is confirmed gay because that's what he/she has decided himself/herself.