How disgusting...

[Timesplitter 01]

The entire series has judeo-christian themes and then this ps2 game comes out and says that it's really all about aliens. Very disapointing if that's really what gainax and anno were going for. I very much doubt it though.

Oh well...to get back on topic. Like I said before...I wouldn't change a thing. It had a wonderfully open ended ending.

Show me the part of the dead sea scroll that says aliens

[Asuka Loves Toji]

*shows him somthing written in with ball points pen "and yes Religion is totally about aliens - Anno"*

[Esion]

Well to defend the ps2 game (although I hate it), the idea is that it was written about in the dead sea scrolls but humans are the one who made it into a religious thing. These aliens are so far advanced that they appear to be like gods. At least something along those lines. I dunno....I guess I should just find where I read it.

*searches*

[Asuka Loves Toji]

theres a link to it around here somewhere, cuz thats where i found it

[Vulkurt]

Alright vulkurt, I guess I did start this thread with very few guidelines.
Although I find Guidelines have a way of killing a good discussion. :?

*snip*

Hey whatever you think. wether you want to change the entire ending or just make a adjusment here or there.
Eva is over. But how would you have it end?

Given your scenario, I would keep it as Anno intended and not change a thing. I have no problem with his ending.

[Phaze]

One must remember that the term "alien" simply refers to a being foreign to, in this case, earth. It still seems a bit odd to classify all angels as "alien," in episode 8, they found an angel still forming in a volcano.

[Asuka Loves Toji]

yeah they seemed to comefrom all over the place though like the couple that were above the atmosphere

[coff]

The entire series has judeo-christian themes

no it doesn't. it has judeo-christian symbols and mythology thrown at you from every angle, but it has nothing to do with religion. there are no religious themes at all.

[Dave]

The entire series has judeo-christian themes

no it doesn't. it has judeo-christian symbols and mythology thrown at you from every angle, but it has nothing to do with religion. there are no religious themes at all.

Oh they're are religious themes, but they have nothing to do with Judaism and Christianity. Mostly Eva draws upon Japanese religious beliefs (a mix of buddhism and shinto..ism..).

[coff]

all the themes in Eva are psychological.

[Dave]

A giant Amateresu like being floating above Japan is pyschological?

[coff]

A giant Amateresu like being floating above Japan is pyschological?

That's not a theme.

[Esion]

The entire series has judeo-christian themes

no it doesn't. it has judeo-christian symbols and mythology thrown at you from every angle, but it has nothing to do with religion. there are no religious themes at all.

Oh they're are religious themes, but they have nothing to do with Judaism and Christianity. Mostly Eva draws upon Japanese religious beliefs (a mix of buddhism and shinto..ism..).

Well it has plenty of Judeo-christian items in it. As well as the fact that the people believe in a god(s) that they strive to become similar too with complimentation. Crosses galore, the existence of souls, the use of the word angels, the dead sea scrolls and Seele (soul) in German. It has judeo-christain themes...are they what the series is built on? Probably not, but I think they are there.

[MongolSquad]

Well, I think Anno is using allusions to Judeo/Christian beliefs. An allusion is used to broaden the scope of the piece. So all these references and allusions to relegious ideas makes Anno's work seem larger on the spectrum since relegion is one of the most influential things on people. And another huge topic of relegions is what is the end? When is the end? Anno acts like Eva IS answer to the end, the acpocalypse, the judgment day, the sabbatical. I think all of this is too make Evangelion a work of monumentous porportions.

[Olin of Xephon]

I think it's pretty damn pretentious to say "Eva is about Aliens" or "Eva is about Chistianity" or even "Eva is about people" Because to a point each of these three satements is true.

Eva is about everything and nothing. It depends on what you choose to take out of it.
Eva has undeniable Judeo-Muslim-Christian symbolism that (like cain Luppus said) broadens the Anime's scope.

Turning a blind eye to eny one of the influences cheapens the work, and totally disregards the depth the writer was struggling to input.

Everybody has a different idea about how/what/where/why/what is Evangelion about. The beutiful thing about it is nobody's really wrong.

Eva breaks a lot of rules. Projecting these rules back onto it is just assinine.

[Phaze]

To quote the Red Cross Book: "Eva is about people's hearts."

[Timesplitter 01]

To quote the Red Cross Book: "Eva is about people's hearts."

I remeber that.

If you look at the whole series what do it focus on besides the angels , etc. Peoples heart's that's what

[thewayneiac]

Just getting back to the topic , in EoE , Asuka say's how disgusting.

She says this becasue there is no "I" in the japaneese language.
If this had not been the case , it would have said " I feel sick".
Listen to the commentary in EoE

There's a really big problem with this; the commentary is wrong. Japanese does have a word for the pronoun "I". In fact it has several, including Watashi, Atashi, Boku, and Ore, and probably a few more that I've forgotten. The EOE commentary is infamous for being full of mis-information.

[Hexon.Arq]

What Evangelion is is a rubberband ball of themes and ideologies that spring out when sumoned by the viewer. Religious themes do exist in Evangelion; whether or not Evangelion was engineered to posess them is another matter. The intentions of the creators have become secondary to the individual experience of every viewer. One could argue that all themes are psychological, one could say that there is a strong Christ/Antichrist parallel, and at the same time one could easily point out that Evangelion stands out as a giant metaphor for East Asia's economic history during the 20th century. All are true. Were they meant to be true? Perhaps not, but when you answer, you must answer each question one at a time, and those answers are based only on individual opinion, since we sometimes forget that even a creator may try to cover their tracks. It's easy to read too much into things, but it's just as easy to deny that there is any substance to whatever illustration one might draw out of them. Does it matter which themes were written into the show, and which ones appeared by sheer coincidence? What is, simply is. Evangelion is not a show about religion, but Evangelion is religious. Evangelion is not a show about the economy, but it holds some fascinating archetypal semblances. Evangelion is a show about the human mind; what it is saying about the human mind may never be agreed upon by its audience at any time.

If somebody says that Evangelion is about something, it's impossible to say that it isn't. That is Eva's true power: it is both the mask and the face being masked.

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BTW, did somebody already mention Tristan McAvery's theory that Asuka says wha she says because she's pregnant? Just trying to stay on-topic....

[Olin of Xephon]

If somebody says that Evangelion is about something, it's impossible to say that it isn't. That is Eva's true power: it is both the mask and the face being masked.

Exactly. I'm saving that one.