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A few evangelion questions
Hi all, I was just wondering if someone can stop my brain hurting by answering some eva questions. I have tried to find the answers on the net but have come to a dead end.
I know that the Angels (excluding Adam and Lilith) come from Adam and humans come from Lilith. I also know that Eva 1 is a copy of Lilith and all the other evas are a copy of Adam. Or should I say this is what I believe I know :-)
Throughout the series it is said that if the Angels get into central dogma they can cause thrid impact, why is this?
What is it they would need to do to cause third impact?
At the start of the series they must be going there because of Lilith, but if thats the case then why can't they just make contact with Eva 1?
In End Of Eva what actually causes thrid impact, Rei seems to join Lilith, thus returning the soul to Lilith and it kind of wakes up and starts melting people making them all into one, but at the same time the mass production evas also do their own fancy Anti-AT field trick and then stick the Lance into Eva 1. I basically understand non of that.
If anyone can answer any of those I would be very gratefull, it also might stop this evil pain in my head :-)
Thank you
I know that the Angels (excluding Adam and Lilith) come from Adam and humans come from Lilith. I also know that Eva 1 is a copy of Lilith and all the other evas are a copy of Adam. Or should I say this is what I believe I know :-)
Throughout the series it is said that if the Angels get into central dogma they can cause thrid impact, why is this?
What is it they would need to do to cause third impact?
At the start of the series they must be going there because of Lilith, but if thats the case then why can't they just make contact with Eva 1?
In End Of Eva what actually causes thrid impact, Rei seems to join Lilith, thus returning the soul to Lilith and it kind of wakes up and starts melting people making them all into one, but at the same time the mass production evas also do their own fancy Anti-AT field trick and then stick the Lance into Eva 1. I basically understand non of that.
If anyone can answer any of those I would be very gratefull, it also might stop this evil pain in my head :-)
Thank you
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Reichu will probably provide the exhaustive response but the headlines are:
EVA-01, like all the other Evangelions, is a scion of Adam (Adam no bunshin), though she was grown grafted upon Lilith.
3I is related to the "forbidden union" of Lilith and Adam.
In EoE Rei has absorbed Adam from Gendo's palm (by taking the whole hand) - you have seen the DC episodes, haven't you? - and the combined Lilith/Adam entity is a focus of the Complementation. The appearance of the Lance seems to be Yui's doing (it comes as a surprise to the SEELE conclave).
There is a lot going on here, as SEELE, Gendo and Yui are competing to have their hands on the reins as 3I goes down.
EVA-01, like all the other Evangelions, is a scion of Adam (Adam no bunshin), though she was grown grafted upon Lilith.
3I is related to the "forbidden union" of Lilith and Adam.
In EoE Rei has absorbed Adam from Gendo's palm (by taking the whole hand) - you have seen the DC episodes, haven't you? - and the combined Lilith/Adam entity is a focus of the Complementation. The appearance of the Lance seems to be Yui's doing (it comes as a surprise to the SEELE conclave).
There is a lot going on here, as SEELE, Gendo and Yui are competing to have their hands on the reins as 3I goes down.
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Thank you, that actually makes sense to me :-)
Just out of interest, how do you know that Eva 1 was grafted upon Lilith?
I have seen a few pictures (only on these forums) of two white beings joined at the legs and one had a mask on so I assumed that was Lilith, is the other being Eva 1?
I have the perfect and platinum version of Eva and I don't recall seing that picture anywhere, though I admit it may just be that I missed it. Where is the picture from?
Thank you again for your answers, my head hurts a lot less now :-)
Just out of interest, how do you know that Eva 1 was grafted upon Lilith?
I have seen a few pictures (only on these forums) of two white beings joined at the legs and one had a mask on so I assumed that was Lilith, is the other being Eva 1?
I have the perfect and platinum version of Eva and I don't recall seing that picture anywhere, though I admit it may just be that I missed it. Where is the picture from?
Thank you again for your answers, my head hurts a lot less now :-)
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The picture of Eva-01 growing upon Lilith, consuming her lower body, is from the Test Type OP; it also appeared superposed on the Reiquarium scene in the pre-Platinum version of the DC episode 23. (A lot of the Test Type images were shown in that version of the scene).
Whether it's grafting or incomplete birth is hard to tell.
Whether it's grafting or incomplete birth is hard to tell.
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Mr. Tines wrote:The picture of Eva-01 growing upon Lilith, consuming her lower body
Consumed the lower limbs and at work on the upper. The right arm is heavily atrophied, seeming to provide a hint as to what happened to the legs.
Whether it's grafting or incomplete birth is hard to tell.
What do you mean by "grafting"?
An "incomplete birth" always made the most sense to me. Considering the "atrophying limbs" scenario, that means the large, legs-sized mass that terminates in EVA-01's upper body is, essentially, coming from the same place that oozes LCL later.
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Reichu wrote:What do you mean by "grafting"?
This sense : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grafting
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No one REALLY understands what the hell happened in Eoe, so don't feel bad. It's all really good guesswork at this point. :?
What I think happened is this: When Rei returned to Lilith, she sort of "synched" (for lack of a better term) with the MP Eva's and sort of worked together with them. The MP Evas were planning on using Shogouki as a Lilith substitute, using her to return humanity's newly freed souls to the black moon.
However, Rei shows up, and while she basically does what Seele wants, she does it for Shinji, who secretly desires the post-instrumentality world of one primordial, single minded entity. However, she does allow him a choice ("If it's too painful, you can make it stop...") which he takes, rejecting instrumentality.
Oops, forgot Yui. Oh well. :evil:
What I think happened is this: When Rei returned to Lilith, she sort of "synched" (for lack of a better term) with the MP Eva's and sort of worked together with them. The MP Evas were planning on using Shogouki as a Lilith substitute, using her to return humanity's newly freed souls to the black moon.
However, Rei shows up, and while she basically does what Seele wants, she does it for Shinji, who secretly desires the post-instrumentality world of one primordial, single minded entity. However, she does allow him a choice ("If it's too painful, you can make it stop...") which he takes, rejecting instrumentality.
Oops, forgot Yui. Oh well. :evil:
one thing i wondered is if Shinji rejected 3I, then wouldn't all the souls return to their physical forms and everything would go back to normal? Why did Rei/Lilith just end up decomposing and falling back to earth?
This is something I never really got.
This is something I never really got.
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Nukie wrote:When Rei returned to Lilith, she sort of "synched" (for lack of a better term) with the MP Eva's and sort of worked together with them.
Why were they needed in the first place? They're a bunch of crappy barely-Evas, and Lilith already has the Adam element right with here -- in Adam, and possibly in EVA-01 as well.
And what function did EVA-01 + Spear (ToL) serve in Lilith's scenario?
Apparently the ToL was formed during Second Impact, as well, but it becomes rather difficult to figure out the correlation, since Adam was busy blowing up / retroverting. That leaves us with no apparent entity to form the "base" of the Tree.
(Yes, I am being annoying on purpose. )
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Reichu wrote:Why were they needed in the first place? They're a bunch of crappy barely-Evas, and Lilith already has the Adam element right with here -- in Adam, and possibly in EVA-01 as well.
Fork, yes. The only thing the harpies had going for them was their S2 engines.
Even a handful of BattleMechs could probably drop them without too much trouble!
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Wouldn't they still fall under "conventional weaponry"?
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Mundane wrote:I don't mean to diss the Eva's or anything, but an AC (Armored Core for those of you who didn't play the bestest mech game ever) would rape, absolutely RAPE an Eva.
Not likely, AT fields protect against that sort of thing.
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Mundane wrote:It could not stand up the shoulder-mounted railgun.
I also believe the Karasawa MK-1 is modeled after the gun in NGE. The similarities are striking.
I believe that the Shoulder Mounted railgun would run out of ammo before the AT field would over stress and collapse
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Reichu wrote:Wouldn't they still fall under "conventional weaponry"?
I suppose a watermelon-sized nickel-alloy slug electromagnetically propelled to hypersonic velocities is fairly conventional by NGE standards.
To beat an Eva, the idea 'Mech (a Mad Cat Mark II will do nicely) only has to blow off its power cable and find somewhere safe to spend the next five minutes. For the MP Evas, which don't seem to have a whole lot of AT fieldness, a few Clan Gauss rounds to the core ought to be enough.
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