How do you know how much is the distance between Sigma Unit and Terminal Dogma?
It is crystal clear to me that they are refering to the actual Adam embryo and not Lilith.
The draft of the episode 24 refers to the white colossus as Adam.
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These are assertions for which you don't have actual substance. When you go into the "probably"and "could" territory, you don't make your position plausible; you're hand-waving. And that it's just a draft is a weak dismissal. It clearly shows that from the start Adam was to be what we now know as Lilith, so there was no intentional misinformation as some suggested, but a realization of the plot how they have conceived it at that point.
Six Winged Angel wrote:If the crucified giant was originally supposed to be Adam that apparently grew to that size from embry form then why the heck do Sachiel, Samshel and Ramiel attack the NERV HQ for?
Legendary wrote:Well, if you ask me, No Lilith + Biological attributes from Episode 2 + Psychological activity in Episodes 1, 2, and 5 would seem to equal = Evas are clones of the only other thing to clone: Adam.
Legendary wrote:The gap in the numbering system can also be explained in this way
Legendary wrote:Misato/Ritsuko would tell Shinji that Evangelions themselves are the Second Angel.
Legendary wrote: Adam is the First Angel discovered. Kaworu, another element known to be in the story from the beginning and one that Seele's known about all these years, would count as the Second.
Legendary wrote:It should also be noted that in Proposal, it is easy to account for twenty-eight Apostolos without resorting to Lilith; one need only assume that there is one more battle than mentioned
But Eva-01 is a clone of Lilith. This is a major point in the series allowing Eva-01 to be differentiated from the other Evas.
I think that the gap was intentional. It could simply be that the viewers were to be kept in suspense as to what the Second Angel was until it was revealed to be Lilith.
This doesn't seem to be very plausible, as Eva was cloned from Adam/Lilith, and as such is not an "original" being "planned" by the FAR (i.e., the FAR are responsible for the creation of the Seeds, who are responsible for the creation of the Humans/Angels. The Evangelions are of a later "generation".)
Actually, the way that the Angels are numbered isn't set in stone.
Or we could resort to Lilith. Rather than "one more battle", the last one could just be Lilith.
If say Ramiel had other buisness with the Evas he wouldn't try shooting them to death while still digging down the Nerv HQ.
Idea for mankind being actually the second angel is interesting but
still doesn't explain why Eva-01 is special and SEELE expresses their dissatisfaction upon it obtaining the S2 engine.
Yes but if so, would they try to install the S2 engine to Eva-04? (which would anyway get to the hands of Gendo afterwards like unit 03)
I don't think Gendo could do something that doesnt kill the whole humanity with just a copy-angel and Adam..
and as I said earlier, ep 22 refers to White Moon as a geofront, which subsequently makes the tokyo-3 geofront similar to the White Moon, which subsequently suggests the existance of another being similar to Adam.
Then only Sachiel took this approach, and the other two showed up for REVENGE.
Again, it could simply be worked in that Eva-01 is the only one with an internal soul.
If he's only trying to bring Yui back, does it matter how?
Unfortunately, not quite. Episode 21 simply states that the Geofront wasn't built by mankind. Only in the Director's Cut does it add that the Geofront is identical to Adam's chamber, and the DC was made AFTER Lilith was part of the plot.
Then again, Eva-00 goes berserk twice and with a purpose, suggesting otherwise.
He still coulldnt have with it any effect different than what the angels are trying to achieve
But are you suggesting that geofront was actually supposed to be the White Moon and that Adam somehow got in the north pole with the spear?
Again, the presence of Rei and her revelance with the moon in conjuction with the Kaworu becomes another questioning factor.
Legendary wrote:Rei had no initial conjunction with Kaworu (she is completely unmentioned in the Proposal episode featuring him), he originally had no significance besides his human form, and either way it doesn't matter because Kaworu in his present, Adam-derived form didn't show up until Episode 24, at which point EVERYONE agrees that Gainax knew Lilith was part of the story.
Angels do seem to learn from each other. Just saying.
The first time is blamed as mental instability in the pilot. The second happens when Shinji is inside. Both could be handwaved.
No. I am suggesting that the FAR would have lived in multiple locations.
Adam was originally just an Apostolo; a relic of the FAR. Even as far up as 21, nothing truly suggests that Gainax had completely deviated from the Proposal backstory.
Rei had no initial conjunction with Kaworu (she is completely unmentioned in the Proposal episode featuring him), he originally had no significance besides his human form, and either way it doesn't matte
Kaworu in his present, Adam-derived form didn't show up until Episode 24, at which point EVERYONE agrees that Gainax knew Lilith was part of the story.
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