About Adam's soul getting back into his body

[TonyTH]

So I'm actually here to share a theory this time as opposed to asking a question. I'm also aware you guys could of already talked about/solved this matter for all I know, but here it goes ; P

So we all are aware that Adam's soul got back into it's body after Kaworu died. Nooot really so much on the how...had a thought while I was talking with some buddies about something...

Rei was our little soul collector in EoE. A few people in pre-third impact saw her as well(Misato, Ritsuko). Guess who also saw her before a minute of silence and getting his head popped off?

Perhaps Rei collected Kaworu's soul and put it back? Gendo could of ordered her too as well for all we know.

[Timstuff]

I never really put much thought into that... I was too busy thinking "WTF, there's a GNK growing out of GNR's hips!" I suppose your theory sounds reasonable enough, though.

[Ornette]

I think the most accepted explanation is that Kaworu's soul ended up back in the embryo in Gendo's hand after he was killed (Adam's soul, Adam's body). The embryo when into Rei in EoE. Rei returned to Lilith and now we have Kaworu appearing out of Lilith.

The Rei soul collecting thing has a few kinks in it, as souls weren't collected at all until Shinji said he wanted everyone to die, and that was after Kaworu appeared out of Lilith (Rei). When the soul leaves, no AT Field to hold the shape of the body so they all turn into LCL; this is an important point.

Rei apparitions appeared before Misato and Ritsuko at the times of their deaths, but this happens before Shinji said he wanted everyone to die:


Later on, we see that Ritsuko didn't turn into LCL, she's still floating around, implying that her soul hasn't left the body yet:


Much later, after 3rd impact is started and we see Rei's going around collecting souls and leaving puddles of LCL, NOW we see her collect Misato's and Ritsuko's souls:


So the soul collecting happens after Kaworu pops out of Rei/Lilith. Although it's possible there's some special case with Rei collecting Kaworu's soul specifically and that he's an Angel or whatever, and there's really no explanation on how Kaworu's soul ended up in the embryo, it still seems like the Kaworu's soul -> embryo -> Rei -> Lilith is the most straightfoward.

[thewayneiac]

That's the real Rei in Terminal Dogma, not a phantom soul-collecting Rei. Adam's soul went into the embryo the same way Rei 2's soul went into Rei 3; Nerv took it out of the old body and placed it into the new body.

[UrsusArctos]

No, Rei was stark naked at the time. These are all phantoms. Either Gendo returned Kaworu's soul to the embryo in his hand or he fished it out of Kaworu's remains in the LCL lake and placed it in Lilith. Or maybe it was just floating around, and was sucked into the sequence of events by Rei-Lilith.

[lilim]

why would Gendo put Adam's soul into Lilith? i agree that the Kaworu's soul -> embryo -> Rei -> Lilith thing makes the most sense.

[Azathoth]

why would Gendo put Adam's soul into Lilith?

That's where it winds up eventually anyway, so he might have figured on cutting out the middleman. I doubt it, though; Sadamoto's manga is very clear that the Adambryo contains Adam's soul once Kaworu dies, and while anything the manga says should be thought hard about before applying it to the anime, I don't see any reason to doubt it here.

[Allemann]

Maybe Adam's soul returned to its proper place -- Adam's body -- by its own, because there's a natural, unbreakable bond between each body and soul. There were no constrictions, either Kaworu's body or an AT. Field, that can hinder this reunion.

[Mr. Tines]

and placed it in Lilith.

EoE suggests not

Gendo:
Adam and I are now as one... For this is the only way to be with Yui again.
The forbidden joining of Adam and Lilith.

Rei apparitions appeared before Misato and Ritsuko at the times of their deaths, but this happens before Shinji said he wanted everyone to die:

[thewayneiac]

No, Rei was stark naked at the time. These are all phantoms. Either Gendo returned Kaworu's soul to the embryo in his hand or he fished it out of Kaworu's remains in the LCL lake and placed it in Lilith. Or maybe it was just floating around, and was sucked into the sequence of events by Rei-Lilith.

I was refering to her appearence in Ep. 24, referenced in the first post. That is, Kaworu's soul was not collected at that time as Tony TH suggested, but was salvaged into the embryo by Gendo. I didn't consider the intervening posts when I made that post.

[AuraTwilight]

I always assumed returning Adam's soul to it's vessel was a necessity to use it's full power, otherwise Gendo could've cut out Rei and merged with Lilith himself, right?

[Ornette]

Rei apparitions appeared before Misato and Ritsuko at the times of their deaths, but this happens before Shinji said he wanted everyone to die:

I meant that in the context that the apparitions that appeared were NOT collecting their souls (whereas the later apparitions were, leaving puddles of LCL). Unless you're suggesting that the first bookend Rei was actually there to collect Shinji's soul?

[skikes]

So I'm actually here to share a theory this time as opposed to asking a question. I'm also aware you guys could of already talked about/solved this matter for all I know, but here it goes ; P

So we all are aware that Adam's soul got back into it's body after Kaworu died. Nooot really so much on the how...had a thought while I was talking with some buddies about something...

Rei was our little soul collector in EoE. A few people in pre-third impact saw her as well(Misato, Ritsuko). Guess who also saw her before a minute of silence and getting his head popped off?

Perhaps Rei collected Kaworu's soul and put it back? Gendo could of ordered her too as well for all we know.

Actually my first post on eva geeks was about this issue.
[url]http://forum.evageeks.org/viewtopic.php?p=245981&highlight=#245981[/url]
That the Rei we see before Kaworu's demise is the same Rei we see at the opening and ending of the series. She didn't need to put the soul back into the embryo, just collected it. The embryo is the last missing piece, the body.

[thewayneiac]

^
No, that's Rei 3, she's there to find out the truth about Kaworu, and herself. The plot doesn't flow properly otherwise.