Weird question

[Ornette]

Wait, did the harpies even have souls? I guess they'd have to, but I never really thought about it.

I think the reasoning behind them having souls is that they can generate AT Fields = there's a soul. Some think that the scene when they're up in space and they pierce their cores is to release the souls within the core so they can take part in instrumentality.

[Azathoth]

I think the reasoning behind them having souls is that they can generate AT Fields = there's a soul.

Kaworu's explanation to Shinji makes it a little difficult to understand this any other way. It does have some interesting ramifications, though; if GNR absorbs them into her AT field (hence they take on warped versions of her form) then is she writing over their souls some how? Cause if so that's about as fucked up as anything else in EoE.

There's also that rockin' old wild-mass-guessing theory that they have the souls of the rest of Class 2A, right?

[supershinjiasukashipper]

Apologies if it's been asked before, but...

...did Kyoko make it to Instrumentality? I never really gave it much thought, but given that Unit 02's core was pierced when Rei was witnessing everyone, and Asuka managed to make it through somehow, and we know Yui made it, and at least part of Kyoko is in Unit 02's core...well, isn't it possible she also made it somehow? And if so, is she tanged as of EoE?

I realize signs point to "unlikely"; Kyoko physically died years ago, her soul was bisected during her Contact experiment, we have no way of knowing if the soul was ever made whole, Unit 02's core was pierced by a LoL replica (which does bad things to AT fields, and might have mucked things up), etc. But still, imagine if it did happen. That'd be better for Asuka than probably anything one could imagine happening with Shinji.

What can I say? I'm a die-hard romantic, and I really like Asuka.

That is an interesting concept. It needs a fan fic.
And anything Asuka and Shinji do together will be awsome for both of them.

[SaltyJoe]

Apologies if it's been asked before, but...

...did Kyoko make it to Instrumentality?

Dead people like Misato show up in pseudo-Instrumentality mindtrips (i cite this because it's much less ambiguous than the Harpies), and as far as we know, Soul Harvesting is an indiscriminiate process to all living things, so yeah, why not?

[Ornette]

There's also that rockin' old wild-mass-guessing theory that they have the souls of the rest of Class 2A, right?

That's from the unused scene in EoE where Kensuke mentions that they're all being shipped off to Germany and someone (Shin-seiki maybe?) joked that they're being put into the MPE's.

[Azathoth]

That's from the unused scene in EoE where Kensuke mentions that they're all being shipped off to Germany and someone (Shin-seiki maybe?) joked that they're being put into the MPE's.

Yeah, that's what I was referring to. Bit more of a joke than a theory proper, I guess - although it's really as good an explanation as anything we're given (read: nothing).

Dead people like Misato show up in pseudo-Instrumentality mindtrips (i cite this because it's much less ambiguous than the Harpies), and as far as we know, Soul Harvesting is an indiscriminiate process to all living things, so yeah, why not?

To all Lilith-derived living things - even Yui counts as one of these, given Unit 01's origins. Does an Eva? That's not clear to me - it seems that the MP Evas had to destroy their own cores in order to release their souls. Does Unit 02's core ever get destroyed? I don't think we know.

[Bagheera]

To all Lilith-derived living things - even Yui counts as one of these, given Unit 01's origins. Does an Eva? That's not clear to me - it seems that the MP Evas had to destroy their own cores in order to release their souls. Does Unit 02's core ever get destroyed? I don't think we know.

If the final spear didn't destroy it (I've seen it said in various places that it did, but don't know how anyone would know that) I'd assume it was destroyed when GNR used the Geofront to do her soul harvesting thing. Unit 02's remains were inside the Geofront at the time, after all.

If the core was destroyed by GNR I'd assume all was well, since the soul would (presumably) be released and mixed in with all the others. It's only really an issue if it was destroyed by one of the lances since they might be able to destroy souls outright.

[SaltyJoe]

(....)I'd assume [the core] was destroyed when GNR used the Geofront to do her soul harvesting thing. Unit 02's remains were inside the Geofront at the time, after all.

This. Unit-02's core was most likely physically destroyed when the Black Moon emerged from underground.

To all Lilith-derived living things - even Yui counts as one of these, given Unit 01's origins. Does an Eva?

Eh, there are so many unknowns that it's nigh impossible to answer. For example, what counts as Lilith derived? Having a body of an LCL based creature, or having a soul that comes from Lilith's storage (Room of Guf)? I could go on, but it would only produce a murky mess of a tangent.

[Logan Payne]

This. Unit-02's core was most likely physically destroyed when the Black Moon emerged from underground.

Reichu says "that the last spear the harpies throw go through Eva-02 right where the core would be". She also cites the fact Kyoko-sama goes limp after the final stab.

[Bagheera]

Reichu says "that the last spear the harpies throw go through Eva-02 right where the core would be". She also cites the fact Kyoko-sama goes limp after the final stab.

I would submit that nine stabs will do that to ya, core or no core.

Edit: which is to say, "I like ya, Reichu, and have great respect for yuir opinions, but needs moar evidence."

Also, I needs less rum, but that's a separate issue.

[Logan Payne]

I would submit that nine stabs will do that to ya, core or no core.

Asuka snapped one of the harpies in half and it got up...

P.S.
[03:38am] Reichu: Hey Logan, relay this for me: My evidence is (1) destroying core is what actually kills Eva or Angel; (2) after last Spear hits and Eva-02 goes limp, Maya screams about Eva-02 and Asuka being fill-in-the-blank dead. Watching Eva-02's final moments in slow-mo helps clinch things, too, but I'm not in any position to share a GIF now.
[03:38am] Reichu: I SWEAR THAT WILL BE ALL

[SaltyJoe]

Reichu says "that the last spear the harpies throw go through Eva-02 right where the core would be". She also cites the fact Kyoko-sama goes limp after the final stab.

Okay, so it was destroyed earlier. We don't know if that implies anything about the fate of the soul it contains, though. If the Harpies are really shclicking with the Deathforks to release their souls, then this means it's almost positive that Kyoko was also part of the group therapy.

Since the narrative isn't the least bit concerned with Kyoko's fate (T_T), we can assume pretty much anything we want, as others have pointed out already.

[Bagheera]

Asuka snapped one of the harpies in half and it got up...

Yeah, but the fucker cheated.

P.S.
[03:38am] Reichu: Hey Logan, relay this for me: My evidence is (1) destroying core is what actually kills Eva or Angel; (2) after last Spear hits and Eva-02 goes limp, Maya screams about Eva-02 and Asuka being fill-in-the-blank dead. Watching Eva-02's final moments in slow-mo helps clinch things, too, but I'm not in any position to share a GIF now.
[03:38am] Reichu: I SWEAR THAT WILL BE ALL

Heh. Okay, pass along my thanks.

Okay, so it was destroyed earlier. We don't know if that implies anything about the fate of the soul it contains, though. If the Harpies are really shclicking with the Deathforks to release their souls, then this means it's almost positive that Kyoko was also part of the group therapy.

If that's what they were doing. As I recall, though, that business is just part of the WTF?!?scape that is SEELE's grand design.

Since the narrative isn't the least bit concerned with Kyoko's fate (T_T), we can assume pretty much anything we want, as others have pointed out already.

Plenty of fine works have done more with less, admittedly.

[Shinji]

What i don't get, is why Asuka not only died when the eva 02 got frickin mutilated, but why is this the first time (that I remember) where the damage done to her Eva literally was the same as the damage done to her (except for having her insides ripped out and stuff)

Is it because she was going berserk at the end and was at a point in plug depth where she was so close to becoming one with the Eva that the damage done to it's arm did the same thing to hers?

I is confused

[Azathoth]

What i don't get, is why Asuka not only died when the eva 02 got frickin mutilated, but why is this the first time (that I remember) where the damage done to her Eva literally was the same as the damage done to her (except for having her insides ripped out and stuff)

Is it because she was going berserk at the end and was at a point in plug depth where she was so close to becoming one with the Eva that the damage done to it's arm did the same thing to hers?

I is confused

Lances of Longinus do damage to the AT fields of Angels and Evas, which apparently transfers in reduced form to the pilot.

[Shinji]

Lances of Longinus do damage to the AT fields of Angels and Evas, which apparently transfers in reduced form to the pilot.

A-ha! That actually makes some sense. Even explains why she was injured in the eye (but not impaled) and why she didn't actually have her organs ripped out by the MPE's.

[AshPhoenix]

Some think that the scene when they're up in space and they pierce their cores is to release the souls within the core so they can take part in instrumentality.

If this is true and Unit-02's core was pierced by the LoL, it is possible that Kyoko-sama's soul was released from Unit-02 and did not linger long enough for it to be trapped in the Room of Guf during Tangification...so it could just be drifting in space somewhere waiting for a new body to inhabit.

[AuraTwilight]

No, if it was freed, it was collected by Rei. The same goes for pretty much all souls on the Earth that existed in the past several days at the very least, apparently.

[Shin-seiki]

That's from the unused scene in EoE where Kensuke mentions that they're all being shipped off to Germany and someone (Shin-seiki maybe?) joked that they're being put into the MPE's.

Just for the record, I don't think that was me; I find that notion both appalling and not very persuasive. I tend to prefer the idea that the souls were probably harvested from some poor schmucks that wouldn't be missed. Since the MPEs are only intended to be controlled by the Kaworu-based dummy plugs, the identity of their souls is a moot point, as a narrative issue.

[Bagheera]

No, if it was freed, it was collected by Rei. The same goes for pretty much all souls on the Earth that existed in the past several days at the very least, apparently.

Perhaps as far back as Kaji's death, if his presence in Instrumentality is any indication.

Edit: on a side note, this reminds me that EoE isn't nearly as dark as it's made out to be. Everyone who's died over the course of the past several days (or weeks) can potentially come back to life, and any badness caused by Third Impact necessarily didn't take a single life. That's not so bad as disasters go.